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Jan 16, 2010 12:54:09 GMT
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Okay guys, I admit first off that I want the best of both worlds and it is probably not possible, but I want the best compromise between the two, so any advice welcome.
My Toledo is on a diet, and a lightweight interior is definitely part of this. I am using lightweight materials for the door cards, removing rear seat, removing underlay etc. Problem is, I also love my music and still want a decent audio set up. I have a nice amp, and 4 speakers. The issue is how to mount the speakers? To get any kind of bass sound, do they need to be mounted into a thick MDF or similar, this kind of goes against the wieght saving ethos. I was thinking of trying to make up some form of box that I can mount in the door cards, deep enough to enclose the full depth of the speakers, lined in a foam material. Hoping that this sort of box will recreate a speaker cabinet and develop some bass. Anyone have more of a scooby than me of whether this will be worthwhile?
Not after booty shaking bass but I don't want to feel like I am listening to on old mono wireless either.
Cheers
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2010 13:16:55 GMT by alolympic
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Jan 16, 2010 13:00:52 GMT
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If you want to save wieght, stip it all out, and buy an Ipod.. thats what a mate of mine did, he bought some decent head phones too. think this might be a bit extream though
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Keep calm and carry on
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Jan 16, 2010 13:01:42 GMT
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yeah it pretty much needs to be mounted in something hefty and solid ...which will end being heavy
cant you make it lift out ..so have the music dirung the comute or whatver then yank it all out when you fancy a blast
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Jan 16, 2010 13:05:23 GMT
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he bought some decent head phones too. And a bit illegal! If you're driving the car daily i'd go with a bit of music in it cos stripped out modern car noise can get a bit old quickly - i put up with it for about a fortnight before i had to rectify mine!!
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Jan 16, 2010 13:17:57 GMT
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he bought some decent head phones too. And a bit illegal! Don't think they are illegal otherwise there would be problems for hands free kits, ear defenders, headsets used by bike instructors & rally drivers and hundreds of other examples that I cannot think of at the moment
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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Jan 16, 2010 13:22:51 GMT
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toally illegal to have two headphones in I believe... as you can't hear sirens
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Jan 16, 2010 13:26:14 GMT
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IME stripped out and good audio will never work for a compromise any large flat mettalic surfaces will need to be covered in some sort of deadening medium which will of course carry some weight
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Jan 16, 2010 13:30:28 GMT
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IDY
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Jan 16, 2010 13:46:50 GMT
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toally illegal to have two headphones in I believe... as you can't hear sirens I have tried finding some official word on it and all I can turn up is people talking about it - I suspect that if you have an accident while wearing some it would get used as evidence of driving without due care and attention [/thread hi-jack]
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2010 13:47:26 GMT by IDY
I will get round to finishing it at some point
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Jan 16, 2010 13:47:29 GMT
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Cheers Blow Imp, that is exactly the sort of thing that I was thinking of!
I know the lack of sound deadening on the floor will go against me, but I still think I will be find a good compromise. There are some pretty good foams on the market now that I may try for the floor, low weight and density but good for sound absorption. Much much lighter than traditional underlay stuff that is bitumen based. Aerospace technologies is the place it's all happening for obvious reasons.
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Jan 16, 2010 14:53:30 GMT
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Talk about your cross purposes!
Be careful with using different sound proofing products, I've found some of the foam ones I've tried highly susceptible to soaking up and holding water.
6.5"'s can deliver reasonable bass though so it might be worth pursuing your door enclosure idea to see if it's good enough for you. Certainly agree with using fibreglass which you can then stuff with acoustic wadding.
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IME stripped out and good audio will never work for a compromise any large flat mettalic surfaces will need to be covered in some sort of deadening medium which will of course carry some weight I'd agree with that. IMO if you want some sound, get some half decent 6.5" Coaxials built in just under the dash with some fibreglass pods created (but ensure that they can still vent behind as most speakers do not work too great in enclosures), and maybe either a small sub in the boot, or some 6.5" speakers on the rear shelf but with bass blockers in below say 150Hz, ensuring they only play the low stuff. This will sound fine with the interior. After this, you'd need to get the interior back in etc. I guess (if others read this thread) one way ICE and weight stripping could work is if you had the right kind of excess weight to get rid of to start with. This is what I may be planning in my Porker (I have 8 way adjustable heated seats. As comfy as they are, they also weigh near 100kg each apparently). I was thinking of either getting 968 ClubSports seats or something similar from the Sparco range, and to ditch the spare. With two amps, a sub and some 3" mids and 6.5" midbass units I reckon it would be a way to offset the weight and still be lighter than stock, and with a better sound than the 10 speaker upgrade that was offered at the time.
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What I had was a small amp in the glovebox, with a standard dash switch to switch it on, powering 2x tweeters, 2x 4" door speakers, and a sub (which was just bungee strapped in place behind the seats) that I plugged my iPod into, et voila!
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If it aint broke, fix it 'til it is.
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Jan 18, 2010 12:17:19 GMT
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Your Toledo sounds a bit Bi Polar! Personally, I would stick the back seats back in and the rest of the interior and then enjoy a comfortable car for the daily, which can take passengers and has a good stereo. Removing the back seats and swapping your door cards will do nothing other than make your car less comfortable and nosier. It's such a fractional weight saving so it¡'s also not like you will benefit from performance / handling improvements. Personally unless you're going all out then IMHO its not worth the bother especially on a road car / daily driver.
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2010 12:20:20 GMT by eightsix
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Jan 18, 2010 12:50:26 GMT
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problem is that running a car with a stripped interior will be so noisy you won't hear what your stereo sounds like.
I have to say I agree with Eightsix.
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Jan 18, 2010 13:14:47 GMT
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Removing the back seats and swapping your door cards will do nothing other than make your car less comfortable and nosier. There also the inevitable point where you are sat in traffic in the morning commute with the exhaust reverberating through the bare metal interior where you look around and think to yourself "What the f**k am I doing?".
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Jan 18, 2010 13:59:54 GMT
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Your Toledo sounds a bit Bi Polar! Personally, I would stick the back seats back in and the rest of the interior and then enjoy a comfortable car for the daily, which can take passengers and has a good stereo. Removing the back seats and swapping your door cards will do nothing other than make your car less comfortable and nosier. It's such a fractional weight saving so it¡'s also not like you will benefit from performance / handling improvements. Personally unless you're going all out then IMHO its not worth the bother especially on a road car / daily driver. I know what you're saying, but that is why I admitted I want the best of both worlds. The car is by no means a daily driver, it is being completely refurbed at the moment and will only ever be used for fun days out. I walk to work, live in London so never "need" it for practical purposes. The stripping out of the interior is alongside a number of other weight saving measures I have already made. I have polycarbonate windows, fibreglass wings, front panel and bonnet as a starting point. No spare wheel, swapping the seats for lightweight buckets, various weight saving things planned for different battery, alternator etc too. Rear seat combined weighs approx 10kgs. I kind of believe if something can be made lighter, do it - it all adds up. ..........Back to the stereo stuff, I am going to use iPod, direct to amp, no head unit anyway. I have bought lightweight amp and speakers from Vibe . Going to try and mount them in a suitable panel with just a rubber enclousre and see what I get, defo not going down the MDF box route....
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Jan 18, 2010 14:41:46 GMT
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marine ply is used for speaker enclosures and is much lighter.
fibreglass and carbon fibre are options.
Having driven stripped out cars I still wonder exactly what it is you will be able to hear.
I do keep meaning to check with the copparz about the legality of headphones when driving.
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