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Jan 12, 2010 13:12:09 GMT
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Is there any 'easy or 'cheap' way to get into motor sport?
I know of a couple of motor sport clubs in the Cheshire area, who mostly compete in sprints and hill-climbs - what are the pro's/cons of competing in such events?
I know in the US they have small local motor enthusiasts who close off large car parks/strips of land and cone of a small circuit - is this something that doesn't happen over here?
Just after a bit of knowledge really, the financial climate we live in is bleak and we could all do with some uplifting things to do so I'm thinking cheap car, bit of motor sport when I can. I'm sure the other half will go mental at the idea but if I'm armed with some good facts I might take the first steps!
factors I need to consider:
don't have stunning mechanical knowledge - but willing to learn
don't have much storage space - but can probably wangle my dads garage (particularly if he likes the car)
money - we never want to spend much so tight budgets are paramount
If anyone has anything to contribute that'd be fab.
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spiny
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Jan 12, 2010 13:31:19 GMT
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what sort of motor sport are you interesting in ? roundy roundy stuff ? drag racing ? classic rallying ?
drag racing at a 'run what you brung' event is pretty cheap, but you need to join the MSA and then a club for it to 'count' if that matters to you.
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Jan 12, 2010 13:56:26 GMT
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Well, motorkhanas and khanacross are both great fun and can be done extremely cheaply. I believe that you don't have khanacross in the UK, at least not by that name, but I wrote a thread about it here: retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=67784&page=1Basically, the faster you go the more the insurance costs, and hence entry fees rise sharply with speed. Insurance/fees also greatly increase when you have more than one car running together, and so does the potential for a season-ending crash. So what you're looking for is an automotive test which can be done at slow speed by a single car against the clock. The ultimate expression of this is either motorkhana or observed trials, although observed trials tend to require a specialised vehicle, whereas any normal road car is fine for motorkhana. If you need basic definitions of these sports then google them. Just to add some interest, here is a photo of me living it up in my budget competition car, now sadly written off: ![](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2605/3939067459_aae3713df7_o.jpg) And some videos of a khanacross. Entry fees for this is Au$40 per event and the race license only costs Au$50 a year. Any safe vehicle is eligible. Minimum safety gear is a 1kg fire extinguisher and a helmet, plus long sleeve clothing. Good luck, and keep us posted!
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Jan 12, 2010 16:29:09 GMT
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You don't say where is Cheshire you are based, this is the nearest Autograss club to you - something to suit every budget. leewoodautograss.jimdo.com/
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Last Edit: Jan 12, 2010 16:32:00 GMT by gearoil
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Jan 12, 2010 16:45:11 GMT
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You'll need to get yerself kitted out with all the kit first,
Rigger Boots, High vis jacket Dodgy mate with a beaver tail ;D
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Jan 12, 2010 17:03:53 GMT
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autograss or hillclimb/sprints are probally your cheapest bets.
Hillclimbing takes a little less prep/£ as you can enter one of the standard cllasses where no modifcations are allowed.Plus you'd be able to drive there and back if you wished
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Jan 12, 2010 18:34:24 GMT
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Either Autograss or get yourself down to your nearest oval track. Theres lots of none contact formulas which are pretty cheap to take part in once you've got all the kit. You could by a car already prepped for racing for not much cash (depending on the spec of the car) or buy your own car and build it yourself.
Craig.
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Jan 12, 2010 19:24:45 GMT
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Autograss FTW. I'm 15 and it was the best way into motorsport, done 2 seasons now and it's awesome. I have to race a Class 1 Mini with being under 16, with about 40bhp but it is still really good fun. The cheapest classes are: 1: ![](http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs277.snc1/10417_1251217358772_1179630879_800312_6468892_n.jpg) 1000cc Minis, Cinqucentos, AXs, 106s with strictly regulated engine rules, very small changes only. 2: ![](http://scottish-autograss.com/cars/class2.jpg) 1300cc FWD or RWD saloon/hatchbacks, slightly more mods allowed. Above Class 1/2 it starts to get more expensive, Class 7 being the ultimate car bodied class (twin 250bhp Hayabusas in the back of a Mini anyone) Class 3 is a fairly budget class, with any n/a engine being allowed within a certain cc limit, most use Pintos/Redtops. I want one: ![](http://www.osborneimages.co.uk/web_images/img_9128.jpg)
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Jan 12, 2010 19:44:55 GMT
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Ok this is all quite promising! I live in the Crewe area of Cheshire, so down the ![](http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2009/11/fox_60.jpg) -end of it. I would preferably like to do something more than just thumping round an oval, I'm leaning more toward sprints/hill climbs (although grass tracking/autox looks fun!) I quite like historic rallies, so really old rally cars appeals big time. will have a good read through these later tonight. if you have any other suggestions please pop them in.
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Jan 12, 2010 19:49:56 GMT
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I would preferably like to do something more than just thumping round an oval. That's what I thought when I first came across Autograss. Me and my Dad went to watch an event after seeing an article in a magazine, soon got hooked and haven't looked back.
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Last Edit: Jan 12, 2010 19:51:06 GMT by V-Force
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Jan 12, 2010 19:52:56 GMT
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don't forget about Autotest - the one where you drive a coned course, in and out of paking spaces, etc. This really is about as cheap as it gets and, at entry level, is the equivalent of competitive joyriding! Our local club runs events most weeks in the summer on grass and then on hard surface in the wetter months. An event is £3 (yep 3) and plenty of people will allow you to borrow a car to give it a try ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Different categories, but you can run a completely stock car - the one you have is an excellent choice to start with ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) More fun than it initially may sound and about as grass-roots as you can get. Joe
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Jan 13, 2010 10:54:10 GMT
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I quite like historic rallies, so really old rally cars appeals big time. Historic rallying is pretty pricey but Classic Trails is like rallying used to be before the war. It's cheap, very laid back, won't wreck your car and you don't necessarily need a 'classic' car to enter. There are classes for just about anything. Some people take it seriously and use heavily modded or scratch built cars and some people just buy a cheap hack out of the local paper and enter it.
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Jan 13, 2010 12:54:24 GMT
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don't forget about Autotest - the one where you drive a coned course, in and out of paking spaces, etc. This really is about as cheap as it gets and, at entry level, is the equivalent of competitive joyriding! Our local club runs events most weeks in the summer on grass and then on hard surface in the wetter months. An event is £3 (yep 3) and plenty of people will allow you to borrow a car to give it a try ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Different categories, but you can run a completely stock car - the one you have is an excellent choice to start with ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) More fun than it initially may sound and about as grass-roots as you can get. Joe Three pounds for a motorkhana?! That's a bargain. They're Au$25 over here, which is about 14 pounds. Great fun, as you say.
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Jan 13, 2010 18:00:53 GMT
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My little contribution:
autotesting tarmac carpark or grass field - around the cones against the clock; good fun and very competitive; large following; can use a standard car if you want but some are much more competitive than others; cost / effort: low gymkhanas and autosolos are more or less the same
trials ascending grassy hills, not against the clock so points are awarded for how high you can go; fairly large following; essentially three different categories and you can use standard cars in two of them; cost / effort: low
autocross slimmed down version of rallycross (against the clock short races on grass or stubble fields); small following currently but undergoing a resurgence; good fun; can use an almost standard car if you want but the ground is a bit rough and there's some risk of damage; you need proper helment and overalls and a license; cost / effort: fairly low there are a couple of events run on sand to the same format
sprints and hillclimbs (treated together as they're more or less the same) against the clock on a short tarmac course; huge following although much of it is at the top end of the sport; competitive and challenging and quite high profile, but you don't get much driving for your money; can use a standard car; you need proper helment and overalls and a license; cost is quite high due to entry fees; effort low
drag racing against the clock acceleration at specific drag venues; large following although much of it is at the top end of the sport; entry level category (run what ya brung) also popular with modifiers; good fun if you like straight lines; costs as much as you want really but entry fees can be low (£50)
trackdays non-competitive driving days on racetrack or airfield circuits; large following as you get loads of driving; costs as much as you want really although you'll use a lot of fuel and tyres - entry fees are dependant on the venue you choose (typically £100-£250)
road rallying road based competition judged against the clock and on navigational accuracy; you need a navigator; events occur at night; car needs to be fairly standard and there are strict rules; can be quite hard - puts some people off; fairly low cost and effort Enduro rallies are the same; many historic rallies are to the road rally format (rather than stage rally format), although some are actually non-competitive 'tours'. 12-car rallies and scatters are entry levels of road rallying.
drifting competition based on driving style / ability; large following although much of it is at the top of the field; cost and effort high as you need the right kind of car and won't get much out of it unless you spend a lot
rallysprints effectively a sprint on a rally stage; only a few events run anually; you need a stage rally car; cost / effort high
autograss similar to autocross but more race-biased; you need a special car but anything goes; cost low / effort medium to high; tends to attract a slightly traveller crowd (sorry if this causes offence!!!)
oval racing (Ministocks, rods etc) similar format to autograss but in specific oval race venues; a bit more traveller
banger racing speaks for itself - very traveller and not a good route into motorsport if you want any respect elsewhere!!
more expensive stuff racing stage rallying - can be cheap if you navigate Minicross / rallycross - you might be able to do a short season for a couple of grand karting (I don't know much about this so won't say anything)
Typically people follow one of four routes into car motorsport in the UK: autocross / stocks&rods / banger racing - normally from a young age but it's frowned on by "the establishment" sprints & hillclimbs karting - enevitably leading to racing rallying (often road then stage rallies, and sometimes via autotesting)
Each scene has it's own setup of clubs etc, but most local motor clubs like the ones you've found are into rallying or sometimes sprints / hillclimbs. Racing tends to be organised by circuit based clubs (eg BRSCC) or car clubs (eg Jaguar Enthusiasts Club). Motor clubs vary, but the more active ones with large membership are generally good and will happily accept and encourage new members. My own experience has been through 12-cars via a motor club, into road rallying and a bit of stage rallying / autotesting / autocross / trials and now trackdays. I've not spent much, have learnt a lot along the way (and made some good friends), and enjoyed it all. I'd advise a similar route, or perhaps going directly into sprinting and then circuit racing as funds allow.
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Last Edit: Jan 13, 2010 18:06:24 GMT by robg2
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