bortaf
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Oct 29, 2009 20:25:24 GMT
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TBH i'm not botherd either way, all cars are fun if you try hard enough ;D Cant get the  out in a FWD? ever heard of a handbrake  handbrake up power on = driftastic The only differance i see between FWD and RWD is FWD is safer for the everyday moron who can pass a test but not drive propperly where as the same moron in a RWD car would soon get know the local hedgerows on a rather personal basis. I drive both by the way, well all 3 if you count 4WD cars are like women all differant and talk rubbish, no hang on thats not it,, ah yes all differant but the same, no that's not really any better is it, plums i hate/love both anyway ;D |
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Oct 29, 2009 20:25:52 GMT
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As far as maintaining them goes I can't think of a single job I'd rather do on an FWD than a RWD car.... even changing the front wheel bearing on the 827 entailed dismantling the suspension and a hydraulic press to remove the bearing set..... then pressing in the new set again with a hydraulic press and rebuilding the suspension. Interesting thread. It's a bit unfair to mark the 827 as an archetypal FWD car. They have quite a complex front suspension set up. I think even I could drop the strut on an old FWD Peugeot in half an hour, and the garage charges me a fiver to press a new bearing in. Surely FWD cars in general are less complex - no rear diff, propshaft, etc. |
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Oct 29, 2009 20:33:31 GMT
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The only differance I see between FWD and RWD is FWD is safer for the everyday moron who can pass a test but not drive propperly where as the same moron in a RWD car would soon get know the local hedgerows on a rather personal basis. Thats not entirely true... think of 80s/90s peugeot/citroens. Just as tail happy as the majority of RWD cars of the time, just much harder to control once they start to go.... ;D |
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Oct 29, 2009 20:38:09 GMT
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getting the out and going sideways are not the same thing in my book, either way though i have never driven a fwd that felt "right" thats my opinion though and as i ignore everyone elses i expect mine to be ignored as well.  |
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Oct 29, 2009 20:38:32 GMT
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Cant get the  out in a FWD? ever heard of a handbrake handbrake up power on = driftastic That doesn't work on my Citroen!! ;D  Saying that I did find an interesting way to pull a 180, and drift 6 wheels last weekend!  |
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Oct 29, 2009 20:42:36 GMT
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Surely FWD cars in general are less complex - no rear diff, propshaft, etc. FWD cars are even more complex when you take into account that the diff is in the gearbox and the trans axles have to allow the car to steer. All I'm saying is that working on them is a pain compared to RWD cars..... I always seem to bust my knuckles trying to get to things that are totally inaccessible and have to contort myself in ways that only a circus performer can do to get a decent pull on the spanner. |
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Hitch
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Oct 29, 2009 21:01:52 GMT
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Ive not read much of this thread but my input is fairly simple anyway. Ive never driven a rwd car in real life so cant make a fair comparison but based on Forza Motorsport oversteer = FTW, understeer = FTL. ;D
From real life experience lift off oversteer in a FWD car is fun so I can only imagine that a RWD drift will be the same x1000. ;D
I expect what you enjoy differs for different people but for me drifting is alot more fun/exciting than going round a corner quickly in a controlled manner.
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Oct 29, 2009 21:32:32 GMT
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Transverse engines are usually more difficult to work on than longitudinal engines, I'll give you that.
Are there any FWD cars with longitudinal engines still in production? I can only think of Subaru, but I don't think they offer a 2WD option in the UK these days.
edit: Oh I forgot about the Audi A4 and A6 but I don't suppose they're easy to work on...
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Last Edit: Oct 29, 2009 21:53:19 GMT by milfordcubicle
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tenman
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Oct 29, 2009 21:33:35 GMT
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I'm strange, I actually start to feel a little seasick if I drive a FWD car, not if I'm hooning it on a twisty and concentrating, thats fine, and fine on the motorway, but just general driving I start to feel a bit queesy after 20 mins or so, they just feel wrong...
funny enough, I'm fine on boats and planes, but I can't sit on a train or bus facing away from the direction of travel, that really gets me, and any long train journey will make me feel a bit ill (might just be the smell of british public transport though)
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Oct 29, 2009 22:17:32 GMT
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my daily is a front wheel drive very good at handling mk2 golf GTI its great but i'd love it even more if it were RWD . in the wet it under steers in the corners and has to much wheels spin pulling out of junctions even when taking it very easy to the point of spoiling the fun of driving it and that is why i will always prefer the RWD cars . a RWD car in normal driving has one job for the front (to steer the car) and one job for the rear of the car(to drive the car) . a FWD drive has to much to do on the one end which is what ruins the feel of the car . in my old job i used to drive lots of different cars and there where some great cars that were fwd drive that when driving them you just felt that had the car been made RWD i would have a much better car the Hyundai coupe being one of them driving along it feels great it has a really nice feel to the chassis but push it hard and the 3.0 v6 just puts to much to the wheels and all that nice feeling goes straight out the window . just my take based on actual experience of driving both make of it what you want but it won't change my views that RWD just feels better to drive .
oh and I'm not overly fussed with 4WD found it to grippy to have fun with unless it has lots of power and suffered with the same under steer as a FWD when you do push it and in normal day to day use your just carting and extra axle that's not really needed around
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Oct 29, 2009 23:20:08 GMT
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For me speed isnt everything, and debating which setup makes for a better or faster competition car doesn't really affect the way I view cars. I prefer how most RWD cars feel to drive compared to how most FWD cars feel to drive. It's a personal thing, plus power oversteer is one of the best feelings ever (when you get it right ;D)
The car I enjoyed the most at RRG09 was ColonelK's Senator, concidering how few runs he had he got the course down pretty tight.
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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10mpg
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Oct 29, 2009 23:56:40 GMT
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I just like doin doughnuts and going sideways on roundabouts, I'm a big child really. Amen brother! ;D That's about the long and short of it.... |
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Oct 30, 2009 13:04:30 GMT
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if its fun and different, I like it. driven wheels are less of a consideration. People who bang on about it appear to have some form of OCD :-)
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kee
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Oct 30, 2009 13:52:14 GMT
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Ive not read much of this thread but my input is fairly simple anyway. Ive never driven a rwd car in real life so cant make a fair comparison but based on Forza Motorsport oversteer = FTW, understeer = FTL. ;D From real life experience lift off oversteer in a FWD car is fun so I can only imagine that a RWD drift will be the same x1000. ;D I expect what you enjoy differs for different people but for me drifting is alot more fun/exciting than going round a corner quickly in a controlled manner. if your going round a corner in a controlled manner, your not going fast enough proper racing means being right at the edge of grip, milliseconds from a 4 wheel drift/slide ;D although that would be dangerous, but would have plenty of fun involved. I'm not really bothered what people think on this subject, although it has been interesting reading everybodies views. half the old skool ford scene work on this rule and so i find my fiesta doesn't fit in, unless its a converted rwd fez, then suddenly its 'cool' and 'awesome' but completely insane and impossible to do anything with as its so short. |
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Hitch
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Oct 30, 2009 14:33:55 GMT
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if your going round a corner in a controlled manner, your not going fast enough proper racing means being right at the edge of grip, milliseconds from a 4 wheel drift/slide ;D although that would be dangerous, but would have plenty of fun involved. I'm not really bothered what people think on this subject, although it has been interesting reading everybodies views. half the old skool ford scene work on this rule and so I find my fiesta doesn't fit in, unless its a converted rwd fez, then suddenly its 'cool' and 'awesome' but completely insane and impossible to do anything with as its so short. lol, that is my idea of driving in a controlled manner, thats how I tend to drive alot of the time. It just tends to seem a bit boring sometimes though compared to getting the back end out, although I cant really pinpoint why. |
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tri
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Oct 30, 2009 14:38:30 GMT
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I'm not really bothered what people think on this subject, although it has been interesting reading everybodies views. half the old skool ford scene work on this rule and so I find my fiesta doesn't fit in, unless its a converted rwd fez, then suddenly its 'cool' and 'awesome' but completely insane and impossible to do anything with as its so short. Don't get me started on OSF... My views on the subject at hand, however are sweet and short: FWD - FTW RWD - FTW 4WD - FTW. You can have fun in any layout, and if you can't you're not trying hard enough. CARS... ftw. |
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Last Edit: Oct 30, 2009 14:41:45 GMT by tri
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Davenger
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Oct 30, 2009 16:22:27 GMT
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Both have good and bad points, so both are of equal merit.
Neither have anything to do with how cool your car is.
I only went for RWD this time for a change, had loads of FWD cars and fancied a change.
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skinnylew
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Oct 30, 2009 18:57:18 GMT
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having only done lots of miles in FWD i have come to the conclusion that FWD has its limitations but can be rewarding and fun. I think however that having RWD on a short wheel base is a bad idea (Clio V6 for example) for spirited driving as its just to tail happy. My Ax GTi loves to get sideways with the old lift off oversteer, i'd hate to think how bad it would be with RWD!!! However my Toledo V5 is an in the wet (probably tyres tbh) as it doesnt grip, it would be a legendary car if it was RWD but because it's FWD its limited appeal. |
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Oct 30, 2009 19:02:22 GMT
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My views on the subject at hand, however are sweet and short: FWD - FTW RWD - FTW 4WD - FTW. You can have fun in any layout, and if you can't you're not trying hard enough. CARS... ftw. This quote - FTW. |
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Oct 30, 2009 20:16:11 GMT
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My views on the subject at hand, however are sweet and short: FWD - FTW RWD - FTW 4WD - FTW. You can have fun in any layout, and if you can't you're not trying hard enough. CARS... ftw. This quote - FTW. Thats the way it should be, but in the same way i'd prefer a 300bhp V8 over a 300bhp 4 pot turbo, i prefer RWD and have never driven anything that even came close to changing my mind. |
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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handbrake up power on = driftastic
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