LAndy
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Oct 21, 2009 23:33:20 GMT
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Hey Just wondering if someone could give me a bit of advice about these HID kits that are about. I have noticed that there seems to be two different powers available? 35w and 50w I'm guessing the 50w is the brighter of the two but are they both road legal. Also with HID's there are different light temperatures that alter the colour made, this generally ranges from 3000k all the way to 10,000k. What are the legal limits of these bulbs? I'm just fancying some of the yellow effect 3000k bulbs but if I'm going to have problems off the Po Po Ill get the brighter, whiter, more annoying (to everyone else) white ones at 5000k or 6000k. Any information you could give would be most helpful! They'll be going on this (not retro, i do apologise) Have some lovely pics for your troubles Thanking you! Andy
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namless
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hi, the 35w is more then enough, hid kits are legal up to 8000k which give the white light, anything higher and the old bill is on the case and every one driving past you will keep flashing lol. as for mot its a mot fail if you have hid on a car that did not come with hid from factory unless the headlights have washers and self adjusters or are projectors. since there is no cutting or taping of the loom involved these can be swapped over before the test hope that helpd
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As with most things, you will probably get away with it. Even at MOT time, with one exception.
Do not fit them if you don't have projector headlights. Your beam pattern will be all wrong and you WILL dazzle other motorists.
HIDS are designed for projectors.
4300k - 6000k are close to daylight colours. Above that is chav colours.
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2009 8:15:43 GMT by Soopahfly
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I had 35w 3000k HIDs in my Lupo, they were ace. Still got the kit - It's going in the mini as soon as I get it fixed. Never got any aggro off the police for them. They start off ultra green then go yellow after about 15 seconds, it looks pretty cool tbh, but then again I'm easily pleased. stick to <6000k to avoid getting pulled (and its easier on the eye) and just be reasonable - The kits are sometimes compatible with your lenses, sometimes not. The kit I had worked brilliant in the Lupo (had them in for about 6 months without getting flashed for dazzling a single time) but when they went in my mates 106, they dazzled really badly. If they don't work, drag em out and sell them on
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2009 8:40:17 GMT by cobblers
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LAndy
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cool thanks for the advice guys,
Cobblers, the yellow lights look mint!
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stealthstylz
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Oct 22, 2009 11:17:24 GMT
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Just fit relays in the headlight circuits and run big wattage bulbs. Same amount of light and costs about £30.
Matt
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awoo
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Oct 22, 2009 11:24:42 GMT
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they do pass mots no prob, just make sure the beam are properly adjusted.
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Oct 22, 2009 11:26:27 GMT
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iv got the 35w 10k ones and there really bright and never had any trouble from the police either mate
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Oct 22, 2009 11:51:34 GMT
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just got a set of 5000k's for the golf as that has really dull headlights just waiting for them to turn up now so far a week for next day delivery gotta love uk suppliers
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Oct 22, 2009 12:26:49 GMT
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I've got 4300K in the MR2 and its flown through two MOT's now with no issues. I even asked a traffic cop about them and he had no issue with them.
As mentioned above HID's fitted to new cars have to have projector headlamps, self levelling and headlamp washers but as far as I know you don't need to adopt this when retrofitting to an older car.
I still maintain that they are one of the best mods I've done as they are so much better to drive with at night as opposed to the candle lights it felt like I had before.
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2009 12:28:15 GMT by adam3442
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LAndy
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Oct 22, 2009 15:36:31 GMT
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thanks for all the advice on this gents! knew Id get some straight answers here!
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Oct 22, 2009 18:03:21 GMT
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They are illegal. If you crash and the other party state they were blinded by your lights you wont be insured and rightly so. Without headlight washers and self leveling suspension or lights they cant be legal.
Also have a look at the lupos beam pattern, its rubbish! There should be a distinct line with a kick, thats just a blur
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Oct 22, 2009 18:09:37 GMT
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Check how bright the top of the HID picture is compared to the halogen one, although the line is better than I expected
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2009 18:10:43 GMT by jamin008
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Oct 22, 2009 18:11:29 GMT
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They are illegal. If you crash and the other party state they were blinded by your lights you wont be insured and rightly so. Without headlight washers and self leveling suspension or lights they cant be legal. Also have a look at the lupos beam pattern, its rubbish! There should be a distinct line with a kick, thats just a blur The picture doesn't show it well, it was 100% exactly spot on the same as the halogens I had in before, I even chalked on the wall to compare! The iphone camera really didn't pick it out very well at all. In some lamp units they are terrible, but they worked in the Lupo. They are illegal, but with a bit of thought they can be usable and not cause issues. Mine were good to drive by (I used to drive 15 miles a night down unlit country lanes to the girlfriends and back most nights, they were invaluable.
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Oct 22, 2009 18:13:24 GMT
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hi, the 35w is more then enough, hid kits are legal up to 8000k which give the white light, anything higher and the old bill is on the case and every one driving past you will keep flashing lol. as for mot its a mot fail if you have hid on a car that did not come with hid from factory unless the headlights have washers and self adjusters or are projectors. since there is no cutting or taping of the loom involved these can be swapped over before the test hope that helpd my 200sx never came with hid's but just past with 10000k ones fitted. guess i was lucky
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Oct 22, 2009 18:16:00 GMT
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i've tried them in 7" round h4 headlight, like you get in mk1 golf etc. had dip and main in HID by moving the bulb. couldn't get on with them, never got a good pattern dip and if i adjusted the dip to the right hight, then main was to high. tried with normal lens's, two different types. also with smooth fronted lens's. tried all different things with em and they are now in the box in the garage. i fitted high quality h4 bulbs instead. so much better.
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Oct 22, 2009 18:21:13 GMT
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I treid them on a mk3 astra. Pattern was so bad on the inside of the garage door they didnt even see the road! Sold em on for exaclty what I paid for them.
Are they perfect on projectors then?
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Oct 22, 2009 18:27:33 GMT
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I fitted some to the projectors in a customer's Audi S2 and they made the headlights work like they should have from the factory.
Absolutely brilliant, and all for 60 quid. I wouldn't put them in anything that hasn't got projectors though, just because they'd look curse word and chavvy.
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namless
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Oct 23, 2009 11:51:17 GMT
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hi, the 35w is more then enough, hid kits are legal up to 8000k which give the white light, anything higher and the old bill is on the case and every one driving past you will keep flashing lol. as for mot its a mot fail if you have hid on a car that did not come with hid from factory unless the headlights have washers and self adjusters or are projectors. since there is no cutting or taping of the loom involved these can be swapped over before the test hope that helpd my 200sx never came with hid's but just past with 10000k ones fitted. guess I was lucky I think that it depends with the lamp you are using if its the old style pattern like the one below you might be able to get away as you cant tell the difference between 8k and 10k, passed my volvo on 8k might have been the tester but i had a polo 8k with a set of crystal headlamps similar to the ones below where the the mot inspector told me to take them off and come back for a retest. asked him why and he said had to have them from factory or with washers and adjusters. i assume it probably does affect the beam pattern with the crystal headlamps i think projectors can get away with 12k because i have seen BMW's and Mercs with purple light no one says anything
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dubwarrior2
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Oct 23, 2009 21:25:29 GMT
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Ive got a set of HIDs in my 2001 Passat and I think they are one of the best buys ever. Cost £40 of eaby and I think they are 8000k (ice blue). They look the dogs b****cks and light up the road a treat. I am a copper and bought them after i went out for a spin in our Volvo T5 which has these fitted. I would never go back to the rubbish standard yellow lights again. I had to fit led side light bulbs so a s not to have a yellow tint, and even these alone give off a really bright, crystal clear light. HIDs for the win.
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