slater
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max powerslater
@slater
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I respect them when they build half decent cars even if they arnt to my exact taste but most of the time they are pretty damn crappy (both looks and performance)
My main problem isnt with the cars tho its with the attitude. Generally the people i know who are into the max power kind of scene are curse word
That about sums it up
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bryn
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Max Power now seems to be Max Power instead of the censored version, if this is because of what I wrote earlier in this thread, then I thank you moderators for acting in such a manner. You've righted the wrongs of a thousand bitter editors... ;D
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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hehe ,.. It's been in the swear filter for ages,.. I think it was put in ironically, but the joke got lost somewhere along the way...
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What I don't understand though is this (And please don't say 'if you have to ask you don't understand etc. ;D). Max Power 'claims' it is into 'moding cars'... fine Yet they only seem to modifiy newish cars!? Street Machine, Custom Car, Hot Car, etc used to modifiy/customise old and new cars. e.g. They would feature a modified 80's car, which was new then such as an Opel Manta or the 'Kat' body kitted Mini. Then on another page they would have a Ford Pop or Zodiac. I always feel it's is better if the new and old 'join together' thus more ideas can be shared; like many aspects of life
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What I don't understand though is this (And please don't say 'if you have to ask you don't understand etc. ;D). Max Power 'claims' it is into 'moding cars'... fine Yet they only seem to modifiy newish cars!? Street Machine, Custom Car, Hot Car, etc used to modifiy/customise old and new cars. e.g. They would feature a modified 80's car, which was new then such as an Opel Manta or the 'Kat' body kitted Mini. Then on another page they would have a Ford Pop or Zodiac. I always feel it's is better if the new and old 'join together' thus more ideas can be shared; like many aspects of life I 100% agree, but the magazine market is becoming more and more niche oriented. Is it to satisfy the advertisers? That's why this place is so good, it seems to be the only way to find out about different styles and scenes without signing up to 1,000 different forums.
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MWF
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Max Power 'claims' it is into 'moding cars'... fine Yet they only seem to modifiy newish cars!? As far as I am aware the publishers make a clear distinction between Max Power and Revs (although isn't revs dead now?) Max Power was always supposed to be the cutting edge and Revs more everyday stuff. In fact I believe Revs was created purely for this purpose? In the younger generations car modifying seemed to be all about going faster, now it seems to be all about demonstrating wealth. It's all newer cars and bling modifications. I guess that's just the trend.
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I think you are probably right. You've hit the nail on the head there! If so it's a shame Yes that statement I think we all agree on
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I think you are probably right. You've hit the nail on the head there! to be honest i doubt thats the case. Mags are produced to attract as many readers as possible. in turn, advertisers want as many people as possible to be seeing their ad. The mags will always be spec'd to the target market, not the advertisers, cos in many ways the two go hand in hand.
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MWF
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A while back I did a comparison of various magazines to see which had the highest saturation of adverts over content.
Max Power, despite being the thickest had less actual content than many other car mags and was well over 50% advertising.
Oddly enough I observed that there was relatively more car related content in a copy of Mayfair than Max Power - and you got real porn included instead of pretend porn.
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I imagine that would be right - its logical that the mags with higher reader figures will be able to attract more advertisers
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to be honest i doubt thats the case. Mags are produced to attract as many readers as possible. in turn, advertisers want as many people as possible to be seeing their ad. The mags will always be spec'd to the target market, not the advertisers, cos in many ways the two go hand in hand. Chicken, egg, chicken, egg? I take your point, and someone from Classic & Sportscar tried to say the same thing to me once before too, but I remain slightly unconvinced. Can there be anyone left on this planet who hasn't read an MGB buyer's guide? I can't see how that attracts readers, yet they still get regurgitated every few months in the classic mag's. Bingo, lots of advertising space sold.
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Yes this is true on the 'classic' side aswell. MGB, MINI, MORRIS MINOR, BEETLE. (Not that I dislike them... In fact the MGBGT is the best driving position of any car I know...for me/my body )
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This has all got quite interesting. The Max books do look interesting i have often pondered about them as i walked past in Halfrauds. Really they were lucky to get staff such as irol on board to work on them to have a good vision and tech knowledge, and as we know Haynes are usually a little help at least. The way i see it Max Power on these books must be a branding to attract the Max market. I do respect some of the new cars and it really is similar to the often dissed old customs seen in Street Machine and Custom car, just they had a modern car to start with and more bolt on plastic, however there is still creative filler work and fabrication. Theres some decent ones out there IMO. Its the scallys with the bad attitude that let it all down. I see its similar to Ibiza, a nice place with partys and chilled out folks enjoying themselves then word gets out and every scally wants to go there an 'have it large' letting a beautiful place down. Modding is an art, some you like some you don't IMO, but scallys butchering and ruining images is not good. Cant comment on Max too much as never wanted to buy it never liked the scene, but Redline is quite good and Fast Car is interesting and funny, but theres only so much 'lad' humour i can take i one go! back to Halfrauds, don't like atmosphere in car dept, but bike dept is great always helpful staff.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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i worked at halfords ;D ;D
and although, most of the employees knew nothing, most of the customers seemed very presumptious that we knew nothing aswell. so when they asked away, and i started baffling them with terms and knowledge, and when they looked at me in shock, id look at them, and start speaking slower, using smaller words ;D ;D
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Make that usually then ,the giddy/cocky lads i'm on about but maybe not the same in all stores. anyone whos poilte/helpful i got time for, thats why i rate the bike depts i go to.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Yes, I think it's the 'Yob' culture/image/attitude that is associated with it that is messing it all up.
This is what winds all us up!
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Its not so much the cars that make me ridicule/dislike the Max Power `scene` so much (though in my opinion they really do represent motoring dross at its best), its the majority of people that populate it. Yes yes, stereotypes ... tarring with the same brush ... blah blah blah. I have never seen a truly barry/chav car being driven by anyone who could be described as socially beneficial. The cars themselves are incidental elements of a `scene` that endorses (nay, encourages) `lad` culture.
And if theres one thing I detest, its modern `lad` culture.
No doubt some will say `not all the guys are like that` and in fairness I`m quite sure they arent. But given the social underclass that reside within this culture (indeed they underpin it), its easy to understand why the whole thing annoys so many people. and why it is subjected to such mockery. Its just another example of modern excess and the urge/need to be `seen` by others. Make yourself as loud as possible (in all senses) and people will notice you, its attention getting, nothing more.
Cars for the reality TV generation.
All things pass however, as will this ... thankfully.
* aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand breathe *
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Last Edit: Dec 6, 2005 15:40:09 GMT by superden
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well said Potentially, i could very easily have bought into the whole max power scene, being the age i am (19). However, as early as i can remember, i have loved cars but i have just always seen cars of that type (novas, with a novadose kit on etc) as curse word. It's not so bad if they've had a 2.0XE conversion to back it up, it's when it's still that 1.2 firebreather! It does seem very much to be almost a social choice though. There's a lad i work with, who defines the modern "chav" lad - dresses entirely in tracksuits and caps, is an amateur club DJ and is currently learning to drive, and all he wants (all he ever goes on about) is "when he gets his nova....." It seems that rather than choosing the car because he has a vision in mind to mod it (he doesn't - it's going to have everything on the market apparently), or because he likes novas in particular, he's buying it because that's what's expected of him, if you follow me. And you wouldn't believe the stick i regularly take for daring to own, first a 20 year old and now an 18 year old Toyota - little matter that it was actually the fastest car in the college carpark (when i was at college)! Like it has been said - it's not the genuine enthusiast Max Power readers that are the problem. It's the idiots who seem to have claimed this "scene" as their own, meaning it just ends up representing all that is wibblepoo. But if these are the main people buying the magazine, which is what's happened, then it's going to change to suit their needs. On the subject of "Revs" mag - i used to buy this, around 1998-2000. I've still got them somewhere, and at that point it was a good mag, i particularly remember them doing a group test of 80's 16v hot hatches...but then it went all cruises and soft porn
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Last Edit: Dec 7, 2005 14:37:51 GMT by Twincam
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Well said JT ...and JT is 19 himself so it proves not all 'young lads' are 'Lad Culture' / Max Power following loonies.
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hmmm ...
...Puting up a thread with the title 'Max Power' was bound to cause quite a debate
;D
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