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Jul 14, 2009 17:30:50 GMT
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I don't really consider myself "scene" so I cant really comment on any changes within it. But I will say this, I drive an older car because I think new cars are sh1t. And I like something that I can work on myself. I sort of stumbled upon this forum a while ago and I love it. Theres always something interesting to read about, or going on. The range of cars in the readers rides section is so vast and varied, it really is (to my bloodshot orbs anyway) a veritable buffet of retro/ classic/ scene lovelyness. Even if the odd Lopu or late model Passat sneaks in. I aint yet looked at a readers ride thread and thought "thats curse word"..... All scenes have to evolve, and I don't think there is a given formula for this. Its the individuality and new ideas that makes Retrorides stand out, IMHumbleO. If it wernt for getting on here I might have never found the bits I needed to keep my Wagon on the road, so I will be forever happily lurkin..... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Big love to the Mods, this place is ace....
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Its my snake...I trained it...and I'm gonna eat it....
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Mike D
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Has the Retro Scene changed??Mike D
@v8mike
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Jul 14, 2009 18:21:41 GMT
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There does seem to have been a shift towards the more 'scene' element over the past couple of years, Rattle cans and stickers do not a retro car make. Put some effort in folks.... Just my opinion though!
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Jul 14, 2009 18:45:04 GMT
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II went to a local car show recently were some guys from a club called Obviously Ford came over to my Sierra shock their heads and walked off I used to get that a lot with my old Sierra Chasseur because i'd chromed and detailed the engine bay.... on a CVH! I haven't done the same to my saff, But I still get the same response purely because a Diesel engine is sitting there! But that diesel is what makes the car great to me, and unique. same thing used to happen to me when my mk1 was parked up at shows, it had all the right bits on it ecept the paint. ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/popuptoaster/my%20old%20cars/rightsideflames.jpg) personally i drive what i like and usually like what i drive or i wont drive it, i admit i'm pretty biased and maybe not so open minded about cars as i should be, sometimes i have a vehicle thats odd, fast, low, radical or pretty much bog standard, i'm just glad there's a forum that'll put up with me to be honest. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Jul 14, 2009 18:49:50 GMT
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I think your Escort had all the right bits ESPECIALLY the paint LOL. Yeah, I would have put slots on it but, meh ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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BiAS
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Club RR Member Number: 147
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Has the Retro Scene changed??BiAS
@cheeqi
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Jul 14, 2009 18:59:34 GMT
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I can't really comment on whether there's been a change as I only discovered, through this place mainly, that there was a scene 2 years ago. I'm into the cars and looks that I'm into because that's how I am, not for coolness points. The 90's cut off worries me a bit as I drive a '92 Micra, replete with formulaic wheels, a slam and an artificially rusted bonnet. Does this mean I'm not trying hard enough? Don't get me wrong I'd like something older, but financial constraints mean that my cars find me rather than me going out shopping for them. Wasn't it HTW that said that retro is more a state of mind than an age thing? I really like the open mindedness and self moderation here, that's why I'm here. The presence of the Mondeo owners club stand at Retro show surprised me, especially as it was one of the most heavily populated stands. I agree that the diversity keeps the scene fresh and hopefully prevents it turning into the snobby, exclusive classics scene.
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Jul 14, 2009 19:41:58 GMT
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I'm happy with the retro scene as it is, diverise and fairly open.
I'm not happy that Retro Cars let the Mondeo group in which to my mind detracted from the event. Not like Mondeo haven't got umpteen Ford shows to go to.
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Jul 14, 2009 20:11:57 GMT
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Having read through this I figured I'd pipe up as I mentioned the Rover 400. It's actually a 1995 one (like that makes any odds!). I think it's a cool shape and could be played with differently, even though they went on until recently in MG-ZS guise but hey! This is the newest car I've owned and its 14 years old, I was 11 when it was made!
Anyways I think everything has potential, and was a little surprised by the comments on the thread I made. I've been a browser and contributor of this forum since I bought my Mk1 Golf GTi 4 years ago, the difference to this forum is that there has been a lot more categorising and as a result a lot more bitching/blasting for things being "too scene" or whatever, becomming much like the Vw scene which from my (brief) experience of shows/forums seemed fairly elitest and cliquey, not the open minded "hit it with the stick", more accepting of all it once was. Not meaning to diss the forum, but this is my only taste of the "retro scene".
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Last Edit: Jul 14, 2009 20:13:03 GMT by junglist
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Jul 15, 2009 20:41:49 GMT
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Junglist, I don't think it is your fault that you had a reception like that; more likely you suffered the wrath of a build-up of ever increasingly more modern vehicles entering into the RRRR pages affecting the demeanour of our members. It may be 14 years old but it still a common car - and people don't look on in horror when one drives past. When they do, your car has entered retro stage ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Jul 15, 2009 22:25:48 GMT
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Good thread. I do believe there has been a change. That show isn't the same as it was, poss lacking direction, but still working ok. Very relaxed ethics but also very nice staff, (pity about some riff raff). Good its still happening really based solely on the racing regulars and wee clubs, not bad really. 5 years is a long time, if for example I said I was a giddy Mk3 Capri v8 owning 27year old. Now I'm 32yr old dude fighting off all the boring curse word half my peers are sucked into! uurgh I'm trying to finish the retros on my plate, and meanwhile enjoying old cars ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Like most scenes it all changes with the young blood, when the 30 somethings are in B&Q and mothercare, and Barretts, and HSamuals, the 20 something are knocking together bright and breezy cars that make them happy, even if it is al a bit scene and trendy, good one em keeping the flame alive Its time for a Oops. You all prob saw the NSJC stand neighbouring the RR stand, I wasn't going to do one but it was suggested, I didn't know RR was doing one this year, and I'm still gutted to be missing RRG09. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) NSJC is a response to the unloved cars, and the rejections from some scenes and the fall down of the online rodding/custom world. TBH I thought we were in trouble for the show as the date got closer. The list was getting worse as all our back up plans came in and newer cars were teh only way, making like 50% fully modern/mid skool ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) In the end I loved it though, sure I admit its a bit watered down but the effort is there and the stand was a good cross section for us. poss not ideal for a Retro Show, but where else? Overall its a WIN, loads of people liked Wickedbads balls out "Fire up the" Quattro 08, BiaSs Hands on Micra, and even my Xantia got some curious onlookers. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) TBH mid 90's stuff is retro, it reminds me of being 17 and whizzing over the tops listening to Metallica in me mates dads BX TD, and the early stuff, pre 1989 reminds me of being a tiddlywink. Stonger emotions really ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) but its all good.
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![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/stoppitandtidyup/Avatars%20etc/reansigys.jpg) it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Jul 15, 2009 23:47:30 GMT
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Junglist, I don't think it is your fault that you had a reception like that; more likely you suffered the wrath of a build-up of ever increasingly more modern vehicles entering into the RRRR pages affecting the demeanour of our members. It may be 14 years old but it still a common car - and people don't look on in horror when one drives past. When they do, your car has entered retro stage ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Thats cool... Have started the fun and games however, and rest assured people now look in horror, mwahaha! Will post up a (no doubt to be flamed) thread when I get some more bits and bobs done/finished though, and I reckon it may cause some positive reactions ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Some interesting points raised in this thread. For me, retro cars are older than the era when things like air bags, anti-lock brakes and catalytic converters came in. Therefore, it's not, for me, something which marches on with time. It's an era when things were built in a certain way. When all the post-90s stuff is 25+ years old, someone will have to come up with a new term for it
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PhoenixCapri
West Midlands
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@phoenixescort
Club Retro Rides Member 91
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Junglist, I don't think it is your fault that you had a reception like that; more likely you suffered the wrath of a build-up of ever increasingly more modern vehicles entering into the RRRR pages affecting the demeanour of our members. It may be 14 years old but it still a common car - and people don't look on in horror when one drives past. When they do, your car has entered retro stage ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Thats cool... Have started the fun and games however, and rest assured people now look in horror, mwahaha! Will post up a (no doubt to be flamed) thread when I get some more bits and bobs done/finished though, and I reckon it may cause some positive reactions ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I look forward to that, once the potential starts to be shown rather than talked about I think everybody here will be happy ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) So hurry up with the pics ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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g40jon
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Jul 16, 2009 11:36:31 GMT
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i don't see how you can deffine a retro by age, you cant just set a cut-off date, saying anything pre 90 is retro as it wouldnt work. for example the original mini was in production up untill the late 90s. is a late 90s one any less retro than a 60/70/80s one? i don't think so. I see retro as being more to do with the styling of the car and even to a point the construction techniques. how many modern cars still use window rubbers for the front screen or have externally welded seams on them? not many i doubt as its a bit old hat. both my cars are very early 90s (91 and 92) but the chassis design for the cars dates back to the late 70s, does that make it retro?
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MrSpeedy
East Midlands
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Jul 16, 2009 12:27:35 GMT
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I'd agree that the term 'retro' is more to do with the way the car is styled/modified and the general state of mind applied to it.
That said, my old man still thinks he's living in 1963 but i'd call him retarded rather than retro ! lol
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stinkwheel
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Jul 16, 2009 12:35:58 GMT
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I personally feel goosegog has hit the nail on the head really there with the cat convertors, ABS brakes etc thing. If your car has these things it really is too modern to be retro whatever the styling or mods. That said cars with those things can be modified and look/sound/work great, its just not retro to my mind if it has 'mod' cons.
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1973 Citroen Dyane 6 1980 Citroen Acadiane 1992 Citroen AX 1990 Citroen BX 1997 Citroen XM 1993 Citroen BX 1997 Citroen Xantia 1977 Citroen Ami 8 1996 Ford Escort 1989 Citroen BX 1997 Suzuki RF900 1988 Yamaha TDR250 1979 Honda CB400. 'I need less vehicles'
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MrSpeedy
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Jul 16, 2009 12:45:43 GMT
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Would you call this retro ? ![](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/undead_ozzy/PlymouthProwler1993.jpg) Sorry, going slightly down a what is/isn't retro theme, but i'm trying to illustrate that you can't neccesarilly look to age to define this !
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stinkwheel
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Jul 16, 2009 13:22:07 GMT
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Ah well no, i wouldnt call it retro, as discussed recently with AK on a thread about the new american challenger, charger, camaro etc they are new cars made with a nod to the past, like the beetle, fiat 500 etc etc They are not retro cars, they are new cars with a nod to the past. IMHO
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1973 Citroen Dyane 6 1980 Citroen Acadiane 1992 Citroen AX 1990 Citroen BX 1997 Citroen XM 1993 Citroen BX 1997 Citroen Xantia 1977 Citroen Ami 8 1996 Ford Escort 1989 Citroen BX 1997 Suzuki RF900 1988 Yamaha TDR250 1979 Honda CB400. 'I need less vehicles'
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Jul 16, 2009 13:26:34 GMT
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Would this mean that even in 10 years time they still wouldnt be "as" retro? I think this is another point that needs a bit of clearing up ... Retro is NOT "Slam + Wheels" .. although it is a useful short cut for many a good looking car. But it is also not really completely stock common cars (but it might be completely stock uncommon cars)... I believe the original Retro Cars magazine tag line sums it up : Retro Cars, because everything else is just classic ... ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) a mk2 polo (my boring daily) is a common car, theres loads about and i see new ones everyday, does that make it not retro? as thats a common unmodified car? but was made in the 80s right up to the early 90's ....... not a dig i just see the whole retro thing as more of a state of mind (hippie haha) than just the car you drive, its what you do with it that makes it fit what your going for ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) guess that makes no sence.... long morning of breathing in to much petrol fumes ;D
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Jul 16, 2009 13:29:00 GMT
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Hey, is that a massive amount of worms that have just come out of a massive tin… Anyway, here’s my opinion, for the little worth it has! I was fortunate enough to be in some of the planning meetings for the original retro cars and there was much debate over what it would cover. In the end, think there was a proposed cut off for the mid-80s, but then there was always the dilemma (not debate…) over odd cars such as late 205 GTis etc For me, I reckoned retro cars was “Cibies and chin spoilers’. The whole ethos was the modified classic thing, which didn’t quite fit in other mags at the time. And it was a growing scene, because it wouldn’t have been done if Classic Ford Magazine hadn’t been such a success with its similar formula. For example, a standard Herald to me was a classic car. Running a 2.5-litre six cylinder and sat on the floor with fat steels, I saw it as a retro car. And if standard cars were in, then they had to capture the era and make you sit up, such as 131 TCs, Avenger Tigers, the kind of cars which reminded you of days gone. I’ve got an early two-tone Metro Turbo and to me it’s a bit retro with its comical, 80s big badging down the side, red seatbelts and digital, roof mounted clock and, for me, captures that time. To others, and there’s a hell of a lot, it’s an old Metro and a cr*p one at that. That’s what I like about this forum, it’s welcoming whatever you have. As for what is retro, I don’t think it’s MkIII Golf drastically lowered with stretched wheels and a ‘rusted’ bonnet. BUT, I do appreciate the effort that’s gone into the car and that whoever does it have skills, enthusiasm and imagination. And if they want to share it with me, then yeah, good for them and thanks. So, as from my response, you can see that you can just go round and round in circles all day. It’s all swings and roundabouts!
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Jul 16, 2009 13:29:57 GMT
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in marketting terms they call those cars retro because thats the styling inspiration.
Same with S Type Jag, PT Cruiser, and many others. Some more, some less.
I think the US muscle car scene is interesting because they seem to be happy to accept old and new cars whereas over here we are either old or new for the most part. Recent magazine I was reading had a couple of nice 60s cars featured as full spreads, some event coverage with 80s/90s cars racing, a feature on turbocharging the 2005-2009 model Mustang and some stuff about retrofitting modern engines into old cars and then some stuff on new parts for old gen 1960s engines.
Nobody worries if its old or new.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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