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Jun 26, 2009 16:51:38 GMT
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Just got some stuff flying about in my head.
What is the average or standard power output of a 1800cc Zetec from lets say an Orion ?
What sort of stuff can be done to make them faster, cheaply ?
Consumption ?
Maintenance ?
Reliability issues ??
Watchouts ??
Fire away guys.
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2009 17:00:11 GMT by grizz
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Jun 26, 2009 17:20:36 GMT
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zetec 1.8 come in 3 power specs 105ps 115ps 130ps ive not had many problems with them just normal service seems to keep them running fine ,the early ones had a problem with sticking valves but most where sorted on recall (think it was down to the wrong oil being used) what are you planning on fitting it to if front wheel drive ford its preety straight forward with a bit of wiring & cut & welded engine mount (anywhere a cvh will go a zetec will fit ) you can use a mondeo engine aswell if you change the sump,pick up & water pump (there are more of them ,cheaper & you can get a 2ltr ) if you are looking at putting it in a rwd ford you can get a kit from places like retroford if you want to make the lower power 1.8 upto 130 spec you can use cams,inlet & airflow meter from the 2ltr there are a few sites that show you how to fit them & answer any questions for problems you might run into (if its ford related ) or some of the kit car sites will be able to help as ive seen a few fitted with them have a look for the spec sheet on a mk5/6 xr3i as they where fitted with these engines maintance i would say nothing out of the norm belts,tensioner,frequate oil changes air flow meters & idle controls can pack up normal tuning stuff filter exhaust & cams seem to work well & are in line with the same tuning stuff for most popular cars you can go from mild to wild how deep are your pockets some of the big power rs turbos run them (with a lot of money spent on them ) but for about a days work & under £200 you could turn a mk4 escort into a quick road car with room to improve !!!
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Last Edit: Jun 26, 2009 17:36:07 GMT by all4show
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Jun 26, 2009 19:17:35 GMT
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Our Mondeo was massively affected by the grade of oil in it. The engine ran a lot better on 5w30 oil than 10w40.
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Jun 26, 2009 23:33:16 GMT
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Thanks All4show.
It will be an L-reg Orion donating its engine to be transplanted into my bus as a rearwheeldrive unit.
Currently the bus has a 55ps engine. so even the smallest unit will be double power once fitted.
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Jun 26, 2009 23:39:51 GMT
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There was an article in an old PPC that gave an overall idea of how to the engine swap to a Zetec using the stock Ford ECU. The article showed a Mk2 Cortina I think, but the principle would apply to anything you'd care to throw the engine at.
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring.
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Well, I've been using a mk2 tina with 1800 zetec (130) on standard managment for 18 months now.
It's all win. 100% worthwhile. Its an easy fit, the wiring is simple, the motor has been totally bulletproof and reliable, I get 45mpg averages where the 1600 xflow did 25, it looks like it belongs there and I can leave most modern stuff standing. Up to half throttle, drives like a fit xflow does, but flexible at low revs and easy just to potter around in. Use all the pedal and all the revs and its serious quick.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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kenb
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Jun 27, 2009 11:17:07 GMT
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I run a 130hp 1800 Zetec in my anglia but on a carb a 32/36 rather than injection. I've had no reliability issues, other than using the wrong oil to start with. Thats now sorted. You do need to rev them though to get the best out of them. Something I was initially reluctant to do coming form an era of pre crossers and x flows. On a carb on a rolling road we squeezed 139 bhp at the fly on a edis and megajolt ECU.
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Last Edit: Jun 27, 2009 11:17:50 GMT by kenb
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Jun 27, 2009 19:58:45 GMT
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What sort of stuff can be done to make them faster, cheaply ? . mini cooper supercharger ask DIFF if you need more info
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what the fcuk have you done lately
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Jun 27, 2009 20:16:56 GMT
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KenB, can i ask, why have you fitted 32/36 rather than std injection? presumably something to do with fitting the std injection gubbins into the bay?
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kenb
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Jun 27, 2009 22:20:09 GMT
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To keep a retro look about it basically. I didnt really want to get into the issues of fitting injection which probably would have meant new petrol tank, swirl pot etc. Just wanted a reliable engine on old school technology, to fit in with the vehicle its fitted in. I've since now bought a retro cam cover for it and the dreadful airfilter is next in line for change.
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Jun 27, 2009 22:22:50 GMT
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Classic Ford Mag has got some good info on fitting one using standard management this month.
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Have you fitted the new cover and filter yet ??
Pic please ?
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kee
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surely twin 40's are more retro ;D and maybe some more rust ;D
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Jun 28, 2009 10:13:21 GMT
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This months Classic Ford Mag has an article on fitting a zetec using standard components.
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kenb
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Jun 28, 2009 13:10:58 GMT
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Have you fitted the new cover and filter yet ?? Pic please ? No cos i only just bought it on Thursday not painted it yet. The cover looks like this one:
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kenb
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Jun 28, 2009 13:13:13 GMT
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surely twin 40's are more retro ;D and maybe some more rust ;D Twin 40's are too expensive to buy, and this was a budget build, and I get great economy + performance if i need it with the single carb.
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Jun 28, 2009 18:30:17 GMT
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that cover looks ace, really period looking. there are BDA type covers available every now and again aswell which look good.
Ken, i was messing, just love the sound of 40's, but even with that single carb there is good power from your zetec
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Jun 28, 2009 20:50:09 GMT
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surely twin 40's are more retro ;D and maybe some more rust ;D Twin 40's are too expensive to buy, and this was a budget build, and I get great economy + performance if I need it with the single carb. What manifold did you use for the Weber? I'm guessing the Zetec is bolted up to 5-speed box - so cable clutch?
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kenb
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that cover looks ace, really period looking. there are BDA type covers available every now and again aswell which look good. Ken, I was messing, just love the sound of 40's, but even with that single carb there is good power from your zetec I know you were The BDA covers you mention are cover on covers, though there is a guy near me trying to make a proper cover that looks like a BDA for the Zetec. For me I prefer the ERA one though I didnt really want the ERA on it. It may come off yet!! The inlet is a modified XR3. The CVH has exactly the same port spacing, the Zee being a later development of the CVH anyway. However the weber carbs used on all the CVH, has a different footprint/bolt position call it what you will to the 32/36. It also has quite an angle built into it as the CVH tends to lean over a bit in the car. So it was milled off and a new block was welded on, level and with the correct bolt spacing for the 32/36. The XR3 also has bigger plenum tubes than some of the other CVH manifolds, and is also quite rare as not many were made. It was then bolted to the Zee using an adaptor plate from Dave at Retro Ford at Corby. The gearbox is currently a 2000E so is hydraulic clutch as original. The van is very original and far to good to cut about, so I'm working on a 5 speed type 9, again with hydraulic clutch, and hoping to get the box in without chopping the floor. Alan Voigt already makes a type 9 gearbox that would drop straight in for the Lotus Elans, but its £1500 plus the Vat and still has the wibblepoo 1st gear. So not a lot of use, and he doesn't sell any of the parts as a kit unfortunately.
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Last Edit: Jun 29, 2009 2:47:02 GMT by kenb
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kenb
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but even with that single carb there is good power from your zetec Yes forgot to mention, on the rolling road, the torque at 2400 revs was 102.5 lb-ft. peaked at 121lb-ft at 4200 revs and at 7200 revs was still pulling 100lb-ft. Really did surprise a lot of people, wasn't expecting that at all. And in case anyone was wondering why use a 1800, well to fit in an Anglia you need a front bowl sump, 1800 flywheel for RWD, and you need a water pump that rotates the correct way, which the 1800 does. (2.0 goes the opposite way), and the alternator was in the right place for my project!!!
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Last Edit: Jun 29, 2009 3:01:47 GMT by kenb
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