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Oct 12, 2005 10:32:32 GMT
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Thats fine as it works for you,.. but the problem is that changing plans half way through a project particularly an involved rebuild costs time and money. For me I'd rather see cars out there at shows, gradually changing and improving. thats why i said different strokes for different folks mate. I'm thinking in terms of u writing an article on this. its very hard, cos there any many different ways to approach it etc etc Agree with Dom - thats why i bought the 411 - i now have the best of both worlds (imo)
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Oct 12, 2005 10:44:17 GMT
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thats why i said different strokes for different folks mate. I'm thinking in terms of u writing an article on this. its very hard, cos there any many different ways to approach it etc etc For writing a project management article yes you are probably right. However I still think if something is project managed correctly you'll see results quicker so if you DO change your mind you can build that into the project plan and can cope with the changes. So instead of a build taking 4 or 5 years it could take a year, and still end up at the same end point. Basically project management is in place (at least in my job) to deal with features creep, where things just keep on getting tagged on and changed at the last minute. This doesn't mean that these things can't be done, but they are done in a controlled way, that stops it costing you a lot of money and a lot of time.
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Oct 12, 2005 10:49:53 GMT
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I see where you are coming frmo HoTWire, I seen it happen time and time again where somone has gone to do something simple and ended up stripping the car right down and deciding they are going to do it properlly. Only for them to loose enthusiam and ultimately give up.
I don't think forums help, I can think of countless times I've seen someone ask a simple question and it develop into a completely OTT and unrealistic answer. I recently saw a post on a forum where a guy wanted to know the dimensions of a small weight which goes on an MFi injection system. He was advised that the MFi was too primitive and he should get a fully mappable engine management system, crazy.
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Oct 12, 2005 11:03:17 GMT
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Good point HoTWire, a good project plan has a continuity plan, and room for changes. And Dom more good points. that is precisely why i have the sierra, its all about having fun with a kitted out retro car, not my most favourate design car in the world but one i like driving and personalisation will be step by step, when money and time allows. totally differnt approach to the old capri plan. a designed project will be planned when i have had fun with the sierra.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Oct 12, 2005 11:39:43 GMT
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This doesn't mean that these things can't be done, but they are done in a controlled way, that stops it costing you a lot of money and a lot of time. i DO agree with you HotWire but building a car is different from the working world. To many, an increase in time or cash isnt a problem like it would be in the working world. A lot of project management goes on with IT. There is no emotion connected to IT. There is a great deal of emotion connected to peoples cars.
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Oct 12, 2005 11:55:08 GMT
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Good point keefy. theres a lot more freedom 'being your own boss' doing your own car whereas usually as an employee you have set tasks to DO, or running an acually business messing up money or deadlines can ruin the whole business. The plan can work with cars specially with money as half the budget goes on wheels for example theres not much left for any other parts/work.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Oct 12, 2005 11:55:09 GMT
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There is no emotion connected to IT. There is a great deal of emotion connected to peoples cars. That's a really good point to consider!
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Oct 12, 2005 12:35:03 GMT
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There is no emotion connected to IT. There is a great deal of emotion connected to peoples cars. It's a very good point and thats the reason you can't just apply project managment lock stock and barrel to car projects. But there is stuff in there that will help you keep motivated and hopefully on track. I'll definatly have to write the article,.. I think that will be even more of a discussion point that the whole thinking different one by the looks of things
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Oct 12, 2005 13:55:26 GMT
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"Motivation" and "keeping on track"....now THAT'S what I need an article on!! ;D Bloody difficult with accountancy exams and, er, my wedding ( ) creeping up though... Back to the point though...fine article! And I totally agree about meeting up with fellow enthusiasts. Me and my mates, and several other local guys of various automotive persuasions, wouldn't get half as much done (or own so many old cars!) if it weren't for the encouragement that hanging out with like-minded people brings.
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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Oct 12, 2005 13:55:42 GMT
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Its all about motivation
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Panda Matt
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Oct 13, 2005 12:16:42 GMT
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tbh, when i first read through I though it was a bit pretencious. Then I re-read in in less of a rush and thought about it, and thought 'ahhh.. I got the wrong end of the stick'.
It's very similar to the philosophy I like to think I developed on my own, pre-retro rides - that there's no point in making just another Cal-look bug, or similar (that's also why I stopped my Volksworld subscription) it's all been done before, and probably better than I could ever do it.
I've actually got a bit bored of pigeon holing cars. I really am not interested in subscribing to a 'look' and any club that requires certain 'style' boxes to be ticked isn't worth joining.
In my view, there's only 2 'looks' - cars that I like and cars that I don't like.
The article seems to sum up a lot of the vibe on R-R. If I could make one edit (apart from pics), I'd include something along the lines of "even on more modern modified cars, there are ways of thinking and looking at design that are intelligent, interesting and could be applied to other cars" or something.
I do believe that that was my 2p on the matter
Matt
(edit, also I reckon project management would be a very useful tool for a car, but that some would find it more useful than others.)
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Last Edit: Oct 13, 2005 12:18:24 GMT by Panda Matt
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Oct 13, 2005 18:59:51 GMT
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This is one of the biggest issues with labels, such as 'cal look' or 'retro' it gets abused and occasionally watered down - a bit like what punk music once met. Initially it was nothing to do with spiky hair or sneering, it was more of a feeling and a genuinely exciting NEW thing.
Retro has become the byword for almost everything in these nostalgia tinged times and has already been abused in all forms. The volume of web sites obsessing over TV programmes from the seventies or the constant rehashes of dodgy eighties songs covered by equally dodgy dance artists, are not seeing the point - you can't really recreate a point in time.
How about looking at whats happening right now? Take a slice from those 'Barry boys' in their body kitted euro hatches, the placing of the rear number plates off the boot to the bumper to clean up the rear end has to a degree been one of the subtler aspects of their car styling - Rover certainly thought it was a good idea and did just that for their last generation of the 25.
I see loads of cars, both modern and old that I get a kick from and hope to interpret onto my cars.
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