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NSRA forum in reactionary ranting shocker,... more at 10... Here is the actual document (going straight to the radically altered bit): www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/summary_inspection_procedures.htm#6DVLA's ACTUAL reccomendations (so still not law or anything close) : * To consider when a vehicle ceases to be the original vehicle. * To consider whether vehicles which have been radically altered from their original specification, require type approval. This may involve changes to legislation. * That the registration certificate be annotated to indicate that the vehicle has been ‘customised’. * That staff received specialised training. DVLA Note: This action has already been instigated * To consider checking the make/model details at the MoT test. |
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so they're thinking tuv type thing yes?? the germans turn out some mad stuff with tuv so why not here make stuff safer too  |
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Agree HoTWire but two good points I noticed
1/ "- but they are apparently attempting to impose present day regulations on old vehicles- "
That is a cause for concern. Although has happened before, mates 1940's Jeep had no indicators but had to have retro ones fitted, and that was back in1973.
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2/ Some people (empasize only some) on that Forum seemed to be blaimimg Europe for all this beauracracy yet Europe (to me anyway) appears a lot slacker with regards to the vehicle classic and mod/custom scene.
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2/ Some people (empasize only some) on that Forum seemed to be blaimimg Europe for all this beauracracy yet Europe (to me anyway) appears a lot slacker with regards to the vehicle classic and mod/custom scene. Actually they are A LOT stricter,.. which is why the workmanship on european customs has to be done to a lot higher standard. You try running a modified car in France,.. Even in Germany you have to get through a Tuv which is halfway between our MOT and a full SVA... |
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Having read all 9 pages of the thread (yes I'm that sad), I don't think that from a rodder's point of view they're being reactionary.
The thing is that should you want to build a Rod in a nostalgia style with old-style lights, switches etc., you're gonna have problems, and nostalgia has a strong following amoungst rodders. At the end of the day no-one's complaining if the car needs to be inspected to check that it's been built properly, it's the fact that they're being told what switches, lights etc. they must use, and be honest, details like this can make or break a car.
It all comes down to individual freedom (and the freedom to be an individual).
How long before they tell you that a car can't be matt black because it's not a safety-conscious colour?
On the other hand, I've just notified the DVLA of a change to the engine capacity, and the V5C came back , no questions asked. I would advise you that if you're contemplating an engine swap, notify the DVLA of the new capacity now, before the law changes, even if you haven't bought the engine yet(!).
Oh yeah, and staff training in the DVLA ? That'll be a first.
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PT Cruiser
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seems to be taking away freedom a bit, if you have to have your car inspected everytime you change something?
suppose it makes it safer, but what modified cars are unsafe?
more hassel/money it seems to me...
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HoTWire I have to disagree, my own experiance of living in Europe is a lot different ,in fact so much so that some of the 'so-called custom' vehicles I have seen in Germany have been so awful that they would be superb contenders for the 'BarryBoys' website. With regards to modifications on a car in France ... ...as with anything in France a blind eye is turned ...Allegedly (and I'm not condoning that anybody does anything illegal). Europe on a lot of things is much more easy going I find (and not just with regards to vehicles), take the firearms laws for instance . Although I would like to acknowledge 'The grass is always greener on the otherside'
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mercmad
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Flush Hard,it's a long way to McDonalds.
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Again ,I 've posted a few rants about this here before.Your government is being pressured by car manufacturers ,NONE of whom are based in your country,and the pressure is all about preventing the reuse,recycling,or restoration of old cars because in the minds of firms like Mazda ,a restored car is one less mazda sold. And what easier target than the young ,politically unconnected car enthusiast? In Australia we went through this curse word in the 1970"s and watched as the car modifying culture was attacked from all fronts by both state and Federal governments. It took 30 years to get to the point where we can get a HOT ROD registered on the road,but it requires a long and lengthy process involving the same standards as Aircraft maintenance. Mods can be done to cars ,such as wheel changes etc but all mods must be registered with the Government transport department and require a blue plate to be riveted to the car outlining all such mods. And it costs!!,to get a set of seats approved(and the seats must be governemnt approved first) can cost $800 for the inspection. Take more care how you approach this situation in the UK because the rest of the world is very envious of the liberties you enjoy!. ..and it would be a shame to see this sort of bullsh**it legislation go through just because it's too hard to confront your local MP.  |
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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 I think that you might not be 100% correct on this point.  Did you ever try to register a car in France? Yes they can make the car look like a dog's dinner, however getting a mechanical change past the DREA (SP?) and then getting it allowed to run outside of the county (dept) is almost impossible   . You cannot even import a car that has not been sold into the country. Things like landrovers with the incorrect type engine (petrol instead of diesel) for the chassis number... you can't put on French plates, no type of kit car is able to be registered, I tried to take a bike engined Sylva striker over there and they guy at the town hall nearly collapsed when I explained what it was. In fact I think that I would have got a better reaction if I tried to import a small nuclear device!  No, the French are liberal with shower gel adverts before the watershed, dodgy bodykits for clios, even drink driving at lunch times in some places... but mods to mechanicals and kit cars, they don't like at all. BB BTW if you have insider info on how to register a caterham seven in france, I'm all ears. 
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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Nick
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i'll just ignore anything that i don't agree with from now on. italian style
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Kit cars I never got involved with, so I will not argue with you (and I 'm sure your right on that one...point taken  . Nor did I even try to import and register (officially ) a vehicle from outside the country. BUT cars with uprated mechanical modifications (including brakes) I (or should that be my friends who I lived with) encouted no problems with the control Tecnique. I suppose it's like everything in life if you are polite, friendly and decent and 'don't push it/take a yard after being given an inch' then people in turn will 'give a little leeway'  |
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;D ;D
Thats my point, Europe has all these rules ...officially ...but does anybody bother ...No ;D
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;D ;D Thats my point, Europe has all these rules ...officially ...but does anybody bother ...No ;D Well, except the UK - like the 'Goody Goody' nation in the European class  |
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Did you ever try to register a car in France? Yes they can make the car look like a dog's dinner, however getting a mechanical change past the DREA (SP?) and then getting it allowed to run outside of the county (dept) is almost impossible 
. You cannot even import a car that has not been sold into the country. Things like landrovers with the incorrect type engine (petrol instead of diesel) for the chassis number... you can't put on French plates, no type of kit car is able to be registered, 
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