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May 14, 2009 11:04:57 GMT
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now i am getting my mojo back have been working my way back into my shed as it just had stuff chucked in as i couldn't be bothered so i thought some of you may be interested in some of the retro tat i have been digging through first off is a drill i inherited from my father  next is a box full of assorted retro tools  now here are a couple of oddity's  i know what they all are but how about you heres a couple of general shots to show what i am fighting my way through   now we have some pics of specialist tools to make panel work easier first off don't know what they are called but if you are butting panels together these hold them in place with a thin gap for welding  next is a selection of kleko clamps and pins, the pins are used as temporary rivets ideal for holding panels in place while you line everything up  nearly last is a gas bottle i converted into a air receiver to increase my air tool flexibility  and here is a picture for all motorcyclists who have had someone pull across in front of them  ttfn Glenn PS there is a lot more retro stuff in there its just getting through it as a lot of stuff has suffered the ravages of time and i am trying to restore it as i work my way in |
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May 14, 2009 11:57:57 GMT
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Nice selection of retro tools there! Those panel clamps thingymabobs are useful, I keep meaning to have a go at making some.
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May 14, 2009 15:10:11 GMT
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How did you convert that gas cylinder to use on your air line? I've been wanting to do that for ages but don't really know where to start.  |
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May 14, 2009 18:52:20 GMT
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turning a gas bottle into an air tank is pretty simple once you know what to do
start by getting your gas bottle and make sure it is completely empty
make sure it is empty
make sure it is empty
once you are really really really sure it is empty
it is isnt it
unscrew the valve out of the tank but make sure you do this outside away from any source of ignition or fire
now comes the really difficult part walk away and leave it outside for a couple of weeks to allow any residue gas left in the seams to evaporate leave it upside down as bottled gas is heavier than air
next comes the technical bits
version one
this version is where you cut the adaptor off the fitting then drill out the fitting to 1/4 bsp tapping size then tap thread and screw in your required fittings but don't forget to fit a valve so you don't end up filling the tank then loosing all the air as soon as you undo the connector
finally fill the tank with water assemble all your fittings and valves etc to the tank using ptfe tape on all joints and now is the moment of truth connect up to your air supply and check for leaks (the reson for the water is that if something goes drastically wrong you might get a bit wet but if an air vessel fails with air in it you would be very lucky to survive)
version 2
this one should only be undertaken by someone who is able to weld to coded standard
the stripping of the tank is exactly the same just instead of modifing the existing valve you just weld on a suitable pipe fitting and take it from there but if you go down this route the water test is absolutely vital
if you think i have been a bit ott on the risk involved you are right but i once nearly had the side of my skull stoved in by a valve blown out of a air system after being undone by a muppet who should have known better
also i have managed to twice scorch my eyebrows off when fumes in 45 gall drums ignited
so here endeth the sermon
ttfn glenn
if you are still unsure just reply and i will post some more pics of my conversion
ttfn glenn
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May 15, 2009 12:17:04 GMT
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turning a gas bottle into an air tank is pretty simple once you know what to do start by getting your gas bottle and make sure it is completely empty make sure it is empty make sure it is empty once you are really really really sure it is empty it is isnt it ROFL ;D I like the conversion, have noted to self  |
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May 15, 2009 12:37:22 GMT
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I recognise the panel clamps - I saw 'em in Frost catalogue - never did buy the darn things......  I've got a shed to go through back at my folks place - I love finding all the proper quality old skool gizmos ;D Great conversion on the bottle...... safety prec's duly noted. |
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May 15, 2009 13:14:53 GMT
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May 15, 2009 13:30:43 GMT
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Thanks alot mate. I do understand you have to be very cautious when doing things like that. Would be really helpful if you could post some pics Edd |
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May 15, 2009 18:37:16 GMT
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just for you i have started converting another one so if you are sitting comfortably then i will begin select your victim ![]() i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm80/93fxdl/Picture024.jpg[/make sure ALL the gas is released  once you are certain ALL the gas is released yes really really certain its time to find the spanner that fits and unscrew the valve (this one was very very tight and i had to use a hammer on the spanner to get it loose)  then store the tank upside down to allow any remaining fumes to vent  now you are left with this  and hopefully over the weekend i shall be able to progress this a bit further but will have to go and get myself a 1/4 bsp tap oh and the bad news the first one was at this stage for about 2 years as i went through a MAJOR mojo failure but at the moment all is ticking along nicely so hopefully shall complete this on this decade anyway back to the start of the thread the drill in the first pic got a bit of luvin today to the tune of a brisk rubdown with the wirebrush/anglegrider combo (no pics as its still a work in progress) does anyone want a build log for the panel clips? ttfn glenn |
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May 16, 2009 10:30:49 GMT
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Nice thread Glenn.  The little clamp thingies are called "intergrips" and can be had from Frost very cheaply. Worth 10 times their weight in gold when welding. A little tip is if you use a propane cylinder (the orange ones) the thread size is standard 3/4bsp so you can buy fittings off the shelf. No need for cutting or welding. The blue butane cylinders have an odd size fitting. I have two 47kg propne bottles currently under conversion, should give me an extra 300ish litres of air storage on top of the 150 on the compressor. The smaller cylinders make good portable air sources but don't last very long. Another thing to bear in mind is make sure the duty cycle on you compressor can keep up! As for the "mystery tools" I have no idea what the two items on the outside are, but second from left looks like a rawl tool used for "drilling" holes in conjunction with a 'fin big hammer and next to them look like coil spring compressors to me. Oh BTW, make sure your cylinder is really really empty before you start. No, really. |
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May 16, 2009 20:37:45 GMT
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so "intergrips" is the name i only have them as they were left in a beetle i bought for scrap but i can definetly see the use for them but i havent used them myself as i normally overlap repairs and use the cleco pins to hold in place and use the cleco clamps for sandwiching panels and if but if the intergrips are 1/4 as usefull as the cleco grips then i would value them about the same as platinum
the problem i have had with the gas tanks is both of them were butane bottles so hence the need for making fittings although the thread is 1/2 bsp but taper which means it starts off a lot smaller
the info about propane bottles is usefull as i was getting a bit confused (dosent take much) as i had read about people just screwing in 3/4 fittings and i was trying to work out where things were going wrong for me plus it means in future if i want to make another i shall source a propane bottle to start with and make things much easier
a fill of the tanks i am effing about with will happily blow up a tyre from flat which is all i need it portable for as if i am doing anything with proper air demand i just use it as an expansion to the compressor tank
the "mystery tools" yes the second left is a masonry drill from the days before hammer drills
the 2 at the ends are hand vices
but as for the two which look like small spring compressors well they are not but i will give a clue they are stamped ferodo
as for the ongoing saga of the conversion of a gas bottle (even though i now know it would be a lot easier if i started with a propane bottle but you have to run with what you have)today i got round to modyifing the valve by cutting off the ends and the valve and running a drill through it (11.8 mm i think 1/4 bsp tapping size) thats as far as that has progressed today there are pictures to follow when i can get round to uploading them
as for the cylinder in work it has been venting all night and today gave it a blow out with compressed air so give it a few more days and it should be almost as empty as my head is at times
ttfn glenn
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May 18, 2009 14:24:43 GMT
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Cheers for the writeup mate. Much appreciated I'll probably be using a propane cylinder, theres loads dumped around here by the gypos ;D |
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May 18, 2009 21:09:42 GMT
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i have been led to believe that the larger propane bottles don't have a deposit on them hence them being dumped at the side of the road when surplus to requirements and i seem to remember a few in a hedge a couple of miles from me so maybe i shal have to take a wander off and see if they are still there mind you once i finish this one i shall have 150 litres of air storage which is probably enough but i am tempted to try a propane one just to make sure they are 3/4 bsp and so easier to convert but then what is life without a challenge or two
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May 19, 2009 19:41:20 GMT
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Apparently you should also paint your cylinder black and label it "non flammable compressed gas" Reason being if (gods forbid) you should have a fire, the fire brigade will refuse to enter your premises if they see a gas bottle as its a risk.
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May 19, 2009 20:09:41 GMT
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Apparently you should also paint your cylinder black and label it "non flammable compressed gas" Reason being if (gods forbid) you should have a fire, the fire brigade will refuse to enter your premises if they see a gas bottle as its a risk.
quite possibly so but to be honest black dosent look as posh also black is the colour for co2 (if i remember correctly) also in commercial premises i believe compressed air pipes and recievers are painted light blue also all my air stuff is in the shed at the far end of the garden
now the sad bit i used to work with a couple of part time firemen and sometimes i ended up being a sympathetic ear (and at times they really realy needed to talk to someone) but once they went to a house fire and as they went into one of the rooms there was a column of flame in a corner (burning cylinder) but they still went in to try and rescue the victims (unfortunately too late)
so i always have the greatest respect and admiration for firemen
ttfn glenn
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