dannyb
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May 11, 2009 20:04:35 GMT
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the guys at www.Dep-o.co.uk have started a petition. We don't really care if nasty old smokey Daewoos end up being cubed, but we do care about real retro motors. We believe that by restarting the rolling 25yr Historic road tax class - you now, the free one - that this will not only encourage cars to be recycled but it will also help save old cars for future generations and give hard-up motorists a real break in this nasty, deep recession. if you agree, please do sign up and spread the word. petitions.number10.gov.uk/save-old-cars/
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Last Edit: May 11, 2009 20:08:35 GMT by dannyb
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Mark
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May 11, 2009 21:17:40 GMT
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We have a rolling 30 year tax here in Ireland, it's not free but only £40/year.
I'd say more realistic would be to end up with a 35-40 year rolling tax - I'd be amazed if they suddenly make 1973-1984 cars tax exempt!
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May 11, 2009 21:29:07 GMT
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Theres too many cars over 25 years old nowadays for the government to want to do something like this. The 25 year old tax exeption was in force back when anything over 20 years old on the roads was very rare, infact I think most cars had been scrapped by the time they were 10. A more achievable petition would be a free or greatly reduced tax disc for cars over 30 years old.
Oh... and signed.
Maybe we should be lobbying Cameron instead of Brown anyway?
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Last Edit: May 11, 2009 21:31:20 GMT by Lankytim
1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.
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May 11, 2009 21:45:39 GMT
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Signed a while ago. bring it on. My van was 25 in April
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May 11, 2009 22:40:39 GMT
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It's a shame, but this is exactly the opposite of what the government wants to be seen to be doing. Old cars make pollution and kill baby dolphins don't you know!
Instead of offering cheap or free tax, you can trade your "old banger" in against a new Corsa and get a whopping two grand off the price (which has been inflated by not far off two grand)
Save the whales - Buy a car you don't need and can't really afford (On finance)
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25yr rolling car taxBenzBoy
@benzboy
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May 11, 2009 22:48:22 GMT
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Sorry but I don't like all this slacktivism. Online petitions do absolutely nothing. And every few weeks, yet another petition arises about re-instating the rolling tax exemption. MP's (and therefore governments) react to letters or emails. They do not care about some internet petition. This Number10 online petition nonsense is one of the worst things this government have ever done to devalue democracy. Sorry, I'll get off my high horse now, but I just think that if you REALLY care about something you should engage in the REAL democratic process and contact your MP, or read about the policies and manifesto's of the various parties in the up coming elections and vote accordingly. Don't just stick your name on some meaningless internet page, it means nothing. I don't mean to rant, but an internet petition is not the way to change things.
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Last Edit: May 11, 2009 22:51:12 GMT by BenzBoy
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25yr rolling car taxBenzBoy
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May 11, 2009 22:54:31 GMT
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I'll just add that I don't particularly agree with re-instating the rolling tax exemption - I think that if they (whoever is in power at the time) did do that, it would come with a whole load of clauses about when you can use your classic, how many miles you can do, and even which roads you can travel on and when. I'd sooner pay my £180-odd a year and be able to use my classic car when I like.
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May 11, 2009 22:55:43 GMT
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Although I agree with BenzBoy, it can't do any harm to sign it, and every now and then things do come of these online petitions, I've seen it happen a few times.
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Last Edit: May 11, 2009 22:56:04 GMT by yantorsen
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May 11, 2009 23:22:41 GMT
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While the tax exemption is nice, its a flawed concept and open to arguments from "green" idiots as well as the few with a brain.
Road tax is supposedly to keep the roads in good order (Lets ignore the fact that it only just funds the admin) If old cars are driving on the roads, they are wearing them out and should pay for said wear.
50p a day is honestly a small price to pay for the upkeep of the road system. Despite the terrible local roads (I saw sparks come from under my car three times today) the motorways are generally managed reasonably well. I spend more on macdonalds than road tax, and I know which I'd rather go without. Roads VS poor quality burgers.
The argument that classic cars are barely used is surely a valid one, but could this restriction not be based on mileage rather than a particular manufacture date (which makes no sense at all)
A reform of the tax system is really needed. Tonight I took a friend of mine up to his old house to pick his car up, which is insured and tested, but because the post office was closed he was liable to whatever fine driving without tax will get you. The only real place taxing has is to verify insurance details. Call me crazy, but why not add a little to the tax on fuel (3p per litre would cover it for all of us) and just use ANPR to check for MOT and insurance. Sure, insurance doesn't go on the database immediately so those few would have to present the docs (again, the alternative is for the DVLA to move into the 21st century and operate a live database)
The system we have now is flawed, but is £80 every 6 months really THAT bad. Look at the systems in other countries!
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Last Edit: May 11, 2009 23:23:43 GMT by cobblers
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bstardchild
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25yr rolling car taxbstardchild
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The big problem stopping any extension to the 1972 year cut off is that DVLA and the government have a huge number of cars on the database that are probably scrapped now but as far as records are concerned potentially still exist!!!
I guess we may see an extension to 1977 one day but it ain't gonna be soon!!!
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berendd
Europe
why do I need 3 keys for one car?
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currently holland has a 25 years rolling car tax, but they stop it in 2012 so all 1986 cars will get tax exempt, later ones won't anymore...
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Benzboy is pretty much on the money I think. Mr Cameron and his chums have made noises about reinstating the rolling cut-off. Chances are he will be in number 10 and we'll see if he's as much of a lying, cheating, conniving git as I think he is.
The system could do with something doing to it in general though because it's curse word. I drive a 2001 Alfa 156. If I had a pre-March 2001 156 that was the same in every respect, it would be cheaper to tax.
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Sorry but I don't like all this slacktivism. Online petitions do absolutely nothing. And every few weeks, yet another petition arises about re-instating the rolling tax exemption. MP's (and therefore governments) react to letters or emails. They do not care about some internet petition. This Number10 online petition nonsense is one of the worst things this government have ever done to devalue democracy. Sorry, I'll get off my high horse now, but I just think that if you REALLY care about something you should engage in the REAL democratic process and contact your MP, or read about the policies and manifesto's of the various parties in the up coming elections and vote accordingly. Don't just stick your name on some meaningless internet page, it means nothing. I don't mean to rant, but an internet petition is not the way to change things. Bang on the money. As to some other comments on who might be next PM I'm sorry but I don't 'do' politics and don't trust a single one of them. As a gimmick some might say they'll restore the 25 year old rolling date but we'd end up paying for it somehere else anyhow. Stuff politics, bring on the cars and leave the greedy, money grabbing antics of the chosen few to a political website.
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Corsa Apology Champion 2014.
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