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Well we´ve got a new old bus here at oldbus garages and it´ll be needing a new windscreen before it´ll go through the MOT. Instead of paying the 350 Euros being asked by the professionals i was thinking can i take the one out of the spare and refit it in the new one? Out of this... into this one... I don´t mind spending a few quid on tools, glue etc but what do you guys think? Can it be done at home or should i leave it up to the professionals? Cheers, Dave
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yeah diy'able with some care
you can use mig wire , or get proper serated wire to cut them out..be carefull you don't cut into the trim/dash
then once its out clean up the flange with a sharp knife and caulk the adhevie on so its a upside down V shape...cut the nozzle to make the V , before placing the screen on inspect the sealer for any gaps that would cause leaks and ajust any dodgy bits with a wet finger
once the screen is on ...you might need some wooden/cardboard spacers to keep the gaps nice until its set
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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yeah diy'able with some care you can use mig wire , or get proper serated wire to cut them out..be carefull you don't cut into the trim/dash then once its out clean up the flange with a sharp knife and caulk the adhevie on so its a upside down V shape...cut the nozzle to make the V , before placing the screen on inspect the sealer for any gaps that would cause leaks and ajust any dodgy bits with a wet finger once the screen is on ...you might need some wooden/cardboard spacers to keep the gaps nice until its set Thanks for that, any idea what adhesive i´d need? I´ve just forund someone on deebay that´s doing it for 200 Euros with a new screen, i still fancy having a go though!
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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I've cut them out with a bendy bread knife before, its the corners you have watch, they crack really easy, the straight bits are easy.
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gearoil
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^^^ WHS ^^^
I have the bonded side windows in a Sierra holding on for dear life by the corners.
As Popup says, use an old flexi kitchen knife to hack away the mastic, doing a little bit at a time, then go do something else as it will drive you daft... ;D
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Yeah bonded screens are really easy to do the biggest problem is the seal round the screen. some just prise out / some are clipped on (as with the BMW E34) / some are bonded with the screen and some are attached to the screen itself. You will damage the seal if you try and do it with this attached. I'd see if VW supply the seal seperatly and order one if they do (some seals act as a spacer as well as prevent wind noise) If you get an actual screen fitting kit for the model you will find that it may come with the correct depth spacers / wire to cut out and the correct cut nozzle. BMW do a very good kit and was about £60 but aint done one in a while. Firstly remove the seal and inner a post trims (might need to pull headlining down) then using mole grips or pliers force the wire (mig wire will do or serated wire) through the gap into the cab area be prepared for it to snap a few times. Also have a piece of metal (4"x4" should do) and cover with tape - use this to protect the dash area. Get a helper one on inside and one on outside attach the mole grips to each end of the wire and go back and forth in a cutting action. Work you way round the screen (watching the corners cause there can be a lot of bonding their) it's hard to explain but the person inside needs to move the wire parrall to the screen itself and on the outside at 90 degress angle to screen. Try not to lever the screen anywhere - it will crack especially if any minor stone chips in the glass. When removed clean excess glue from the aperture - touch up any damaged paint. Some bonding glues (Sikaflex is the best) need heat to work so read the instructions - i've placed em in an oven for 10 minutes first before use - helps them cure and easier to use. On a big screen like that you will probably need 2 tubes. If you can get hold of some dent suckers attach these to the outside of the screen (to help fit glass in aperture) cut a 'V' in the nozzle (at least 1/2" deep - some will be more you will have to check the thickness of the glue) work round the screen with a caulking gun (the glue is really hard to push out so an air caulking gun would be ideal) Make sure no high spots / gaps etc (you can play a bit with the bead before you attach. But you have to work quick.
When ready with a helper lift the screen into the aperature - fitting to the roof and then let it drop onto the scuttle. attach tape to the top of the screen to roof (stops it sliding down) and make sure the screen fits nice and flush to the adjacent panels - you can use a ratchet strap to gentle push screen down (not too much though just enough to hold it ..
Any problems let me know
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I made a balls of mine, didn't even know it was bonded at first. Nev 'helped' though ;D Live n learn...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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I know a bloke who fits them for autoglass, and if he can do it, you can DEFINITELY do it!
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I know a bloke who fits them for autoglass, and if he can do it, you can DEFINITELY do it! Now you mention it, so do I. ;D Still need a new screen and fitted, and no proper tools
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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the screen you want to remove has a separate trim from the screen, best place to start is remove the wipers and then look for the join in the trim which should be at the bottom in the middle, use a small pick to pull the trim out from the join be very careful not to prise against the edge of the glass, if you can get it started then pull the trim towards you and away from the glass all the way round untill removed, do not use a 90 degree blade type windscreen removal tool as you will more than likely break the glass as they are for removing broken windscreens, you can use a long blade type knife from inside the cab with plenty of soapy water so the knife does not stick the the rubber, or you can use the wire removal system, you will need windscreen glue, windscreen glue primers and activators, some very good glass cleaner and lint free cloths, the glue can be bought from a certain auction web site, the glue or bond can be used in a normal sealer gun but will be very hard to get out as it should be used in a high ratio gun, best tip is just before you want to fit the screen put the bond in a hot bucket of water as this will make it come out of the gun much easier, you will need to trim back the old bond from the screen and body, activate the old bond and pime up any areas on the body that have bare metal, repace the trim on to the glass, you may need to stick it in place with some masking tape, have a good look at where the old bond was on the vehicle, as thats where you want to put the new bond as on the transporters there is not a lot of appeture and it will either leak or look awfull, cut a V in the nozzel and carefully put the bond on the body, two suckers on the windscreen and someone else to help you and place the glass back in to the hole, easy oh put some rubber gloves on.
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Last Edit: May 4, 2009 22:21:06 GMT by rusty998
MK2 Cortina Estate
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Thanks for all the advice guys, much appreciated. I think i´ll give it a go as soon as i´ve got the Capri sorted. If i get it wrong i can still run off and get it done professionally. I´ll keep you posted. Cheers, Dave
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How can you tell if a screen is bonded or not?
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DutyFreeSaviour
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Whatever you do Dave, make sure the bond hasn't any 'breaks' in it when you're laying the bead around the aperture. The 'professional' that did the Shot-gun has left a gap - I can hear it whistling at anything over 30....... You couldn't do worse mate
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Back from the dead..... kind of
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gearoil
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Ta da...! Took a while (!!!) but it came out intact, as did the other side. The windscreen however didn't come out so easily... or in one peice...
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How can you tell if a screen is bonded or not? It'll have a wide trim piece round it, often plastic instead of rubber, and will sit much flatter against the bodywork than a screen held in by a rubber which will usually have a much thinner bit of trim sunk into the rubber to spread it so it grips the screen.
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