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Apr 19, 2009 23:08:11 GMT
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OK, here's my problem retro amigos: My BMW needs an oil change. Now normally I do these myself, particularly on my Benz (would you let any old Tom, Dick or Harry rummage in your girls undercarriage? No way!) but I'm massively busy and don't really have time to be rolling about underneath a car dropping the oil. So I'm thinking about taking it to a chain garage to get it done. Am I incredibly stupid? Should use that time that would be taken up leafing through a 5-year-old edition of Car magazine whilst drinking a muddy brown broth and instead figure out a way to bend the fabric of time so that I could do it myself? Should I try the independent guy round the corner? Seems daft to trouble him with such a trivial job, especially seeing as he knows I mess with cars (he often tells me to go do a job myself instead of letting him do it!).
How badly can the screw up an oil and filter change?!
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Apr 19, 2009 23:14:59 GMT
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They proably cant screw it up, but Id chance the local independant first. Trivial jobs still make you money, and the worst he can say is nar, too busy at the moment (and hes DAMN lucky if he says that...). Plus, Id bet a penny to a pound that kwik fit also tell you you need tyres, brakes and an exhaust
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Apr 19, 2009 23:20:25 GMT
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Thanks Scary, you're right - I like to support independent shops and things, so I should really give the guy a try. He's a really decent chap and I know he won't muck me about. Often he'll talk me out of giving him work and come out with "oh come on, if you can do all that on your car then you can do this easy!" ;D But maybe work has thinned out a bit and he could do with the trade.
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Apr 19, 2009 23:40:11 GMT
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Yeah try the independant first, people that work for chains don't care about there work. I still remember the feeling when I was 18 seing somebody at kwickfit mess up the simplist job on my car by being a lazy and using the impact gun, my blood ran cold. There wasn't even anybody else waiting I was the only one there!
I won't use any chain garage for anything ever now.
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How badly can the screw up an oil and filter change?! What about when the garage don't tighten up the filter, making the car dump its oil, smoke comes into the car, and somebody calls out the fire brigade, and all of this is happening on a very busy roundabout, and every kid at school leaving time is walking past making comments. THATS how badly it could go ;D The incident involved my mam and her car....
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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Surely it takes longer to take a car to a garage and wait for them to do it than it does to do it yourself?
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how longs it gona take ? 30 mins to know youve done it right
you can always nip away and do something while its draining
id rather poke about at night with a torch that let some quick fit monkey at it
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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probably could have done it in the time it took to start this post lol
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Or they could put the jack through the floor pan of your car rather than using a jacking point to jack it up as happened to a guy I worked with at a "fast fitting" outfit near where we worked.
Also also a lot of them don't actually drain the oil. The stick a vacuum down the filler (or dip stick I dunno) and suck out the oil that way which only gets 60-90% of the oil out depending on the car and the nerdlinger operating the oil sucker thingy.
I'd ask the local guy to do it.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Its, mojo spent working on the daily isn't it? and the neigbours thinking you run an old car garage from the front drive/carpark yeah. i'd say more than half of the Fiestas work has been done DIY but and kind of MOT fix or more involved jobs have been shipped to specialists and independents. I must say though I'm gonna get good at welding cos I'm gettting bored of MOT patch fixes! The Citroen daily, after a day of ownership i was rolling around the car park with water all over me and dirt in my eyes! The suspension stuff and cambelt pickles me and I CBA to know too much at this stage so may farm that out. Independent or DIY BTW, the fact he wants you to do it is a compliment.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Apr 20, 2009 10:16:38 GMT
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Well, I will buck the trend here a little - (granted this was a while back too, I havent looked to see if these offers still happen) but a big chain - might have been HighQ - in aberdeen were doing oil and filter change all in for ÂŁ9. Simple fact is I cant buy the oil for so little, never mind the filter too. Ok, the filter wasnt a big brand name, and the oil was basic castrol stuff, nothing fancy either, but for the convenience and price, it was great...
option 1 - drive to motor factors and spend ÂŁ15 or so on oil and filter, drive home, crawl under the car on a wet driveway, get 95% of old oil into the basin, 3% on the driveway and 2% up my sleeve, spend 5 minutes wrestling with tight oilfilter and poor-quality filter wrench, give up, stab screwdriver through the filter and unscrew, getting 60% of the oil into the basin, 30% down the engine block and 10% on the driveway. Refit new filter, crawl back under car to replace sump plug, fill with oil. Spend 5 minutes faffing with funnels and stuff, trying to get old oil from the basin into an old bottle to take to the tip, getting 80% in the bottle, 15% on the drive and 5% on my hands.
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option 2 - drive to garage, sit in waiting room and watch as the car goes up on a 4-post ramp, and the chap does the whole job in 5 minutes. Pay ÂŁ9.
I would never trust a big garage to something delicate to a car I loved, but something as unscrewup-able as an oil and filter change on a daily hack, they are the obvious choice.
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Last Edit: Apr 20, 2009 10:19:09 GMT by dave21478
1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Apr 20, 2009 10:33:35 GMT
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My 230SL takes 5.5 litres of oil, and the oil filter is difficult to get hold of. Could I really trust a fast fit place to have the oil filter in stock, and change the full 5.5 litres? No.
My beetle needs the oil screen unbolting, cleaning, and putting back with new paper gaskets. Would they have the gaskets in stock, and would they tighten up the bolts to the correct torque - that's if they even remove the screen? I very much doubt it.
For a 'daily', it's less clear cut, but I still wouldn't trust a YTS guy near any of my cars. It's quicker doing an oil change than driving to the fast fit place, waiting for them to get you a slot, and driving back. I can do an oil and filter change on my Peugeot 205 in less than 10 minutes.
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1951 Split Window Beetle - SOLD! 1965 Mercedes 230SL 1966 VW Beetle 1968 Mercedes 280SE
1972 VW 412LE Variant - SOLD! err.... 2004 Toyota Corolla
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Apr 20, 2009 11:15:14 GMT
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My last experience witk Kwik Fit put me off for good. Sent the wife's Skoda Felicia in for a pair of front struts (as I didn't have the time to do it myself) got the job done on time and at reasonable cost. About 3 months later we got a puncture on the motorway, and found that the spotty oik that fitted the strut, rather than look in the glovebox for the locking wheelnut key, hammered a socket onto the wheelnut, rendering it useless, and me unable to undo it with the key.
With a local specialist I find that they take more pride in their work as they need to keep up a reputation, whereas at Kwik Fit and the like, you may get a good time served mechanic, but you run the risk of getting a ham fisted YTS working on your motor, and making a mess.
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1967 Morris Traveller 1971 Series IIA Land Rover 1991 Golf GL 4+e 1992 Corrado G60 1986 E28 BMW 528i
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Apr 20, 2009 11:25:56 GMT
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Ooh ooh, another story I have of Kwik S**t. This happened a while ago but my mams Volvo 340 needed a tyre for the mot, so off she goes to Kwik Fit and when we go for the retest it seemed Kwik Fit had somehow managed to cut through the brake pipes whilst fitting the tyre ;D
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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Apr 20, 2009 12:50:05 GMT
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Well, I had hoped that you guys would talk me out of taking it to one of those places, and you have! Reanimation - that's exactly what it is! I feel guilty every time I work on the Bimmer with the Merc sat next to it not having progressed in months and months. But, getting the time and enthusiasm together to drop the oil is a bit easier than getting back into the swing of a full-on weld-a-thon... The local parts place just called and said my oil filter is in. So maybe I should quit procrastinating and get on with it. Thanks for the advice, and the horror stories!
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Apr 20, 2009 13:14:15 GMT
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Is there no one on here that would do it make them a couple of quid? U'd know it's being done by someone with a little more care and attention than the Kwik-fit yts! It's not a hard job afterall
Other wise let the local mechanic do it even if it is a little more.... silly questions. How much would a main dealer charge?
I could spend hours going though all my kwikfit horror stories but wont, lets just say i've had no good luck with them either!
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Apr 20, 2009 13:39:15 GMT
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Can you not do it yourself but skip the filter as a one-off? I've just done this on our Volvo as the change was long overdue and I forgot to get hold of a filter.
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Jaguar S-Type 3.0 SE
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Apr 20, 2009 13:42:34 GMT
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my bro does that, 3000 miles on the oil, 6000 miles for the filters, Just empties em and re-fits em
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MWF
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Apr 20, 2009 16:50:35 GMT
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Have to say I had a brilliant experience of Kwik Fit here in Wolves the other week, totally against my expectations.
I've had experience of bad chain workers and bad independents, car garages are a minefield. For me it's just trial and error with what's available locally.
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Apr 20, 2009 17:54:26 GMT
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coulda had it up in the air and draining as you wrote yer first post ;D
diy FTW
30-40 they will charge that you could spend on the benz
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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