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The 3 series you can see in the thread I started last night has rear axle bushes that are pretty much dead.
The rest of the car is really spotless, but adding the cost of replacing them to tax, MOT and insurance will push the cars price to a level I am not interested in.
Are these bushes an MOT Fail ??
Anyone know for certain, as I will walk away from the car if it is.
Thanks guys.
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Last Edit: Apr 6, 2009 7:00:37 GMT by grizz
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I think any totally perished suspension bush is an MOT fail isn't it? Stand to be corrected though!  |
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Depends how badly worn they are, I would pass and advise them if there wasn't excessive movement.
Could you take a pic of the bushes and post it up?
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don't think there a fail dude ive had many an e28 with shot axel carrier bushes never had one fail yet and there not bad to change polybushes are easier to fit and not that much dearer
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can be a fail depends how bad they are |
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Looks like these bushes are a Pig to do, but ultimately they are do-able, and for less money than breaking the bank.
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Don't walk away, that car is lovely  |
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A mate has just had this on his e36.
Not sure what 3 series you have, but they were a fail on his car, but they were totally fubarred.
Its a bit of a pig to do, but you should be able to manage it in a weekend if you have all the parts.
On the E36 my mate had, we dropped the rear axle complete, swapped the 4 bushes that hold the diff to the body, changed the trailing arm bushes and thew it back together.
Gettting the axle back into place on the e36 is a ball ache, but you just need two people and 2 trolly jacks.
If yours isn't an e36 then i am not sure, but it can't be that different.
Lewis
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What bushes? 3 series had an IRS not an axle? do you mean the subframe bushes sort of under the back seat near the sill? Total pain in the ass if it's them and they are rusted in and deffo a fail, fragged many a E30 and even the breakers i do it for often leave the rear end on cos they can't be arsed to fight the buggers Not expensive, they can just be a right pain, have a look on the E30ZONE i'm sure there's some threads on there about em. |
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Hi Lewis, I do not know the difference between E30 and E36, it is the car in the photos, and is a G-reg.
I suspect I will be kicking myself later if I do not take it, but could also be kicking myself if I do not get a move on with the stuff I am busy with at the moment, and to get the bus to Santa Pod for Classic Ford weekend.
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It's an E30, just seen the other thread  E21 = shark nose E30 = your type E36 = later K reg on shape |
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2009 19:31:56 GMT by bortaf
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Just had a look at the other thread.
Not sure if there is a difference, but getting the bushes out wasn't the biggest problem we had
We used a hacksaw, some heet and some studding, nuts and plates to get them out.
The big problem we has is that the diff is held on with four bolts though the four bushes. Except the front two are studs, not bolts.
The prop is a fixed length unit, and so it is impossible to slide the diff/axle into place up onto the studs and fit the prop at the same time. It just doesn't seem possible.
What we did in the end was unscrew the studs, fit them into the bushes, pop it up into place connecting the prop at the same time. then put a pair on nuts onto the ends of each stud, locked them together then did the studs up into the body. Took the locking nuts off, and then put the propper nuts back on.
a total pain, but more just fiddly than anything else.
but as I say, I have no idea if that e30 and e36 have the same fixing method.
Lewis
edit - as caminhead said below, it handled like a bag of poo... i mean it was really bad. the back end had a mind of its own and was all over the shop on a bumpy road.
If they are farked, they WILL need doing!
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2009 19:38:37 GMT by lewist123
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I think the E30 has a similar set-up to my S12 with semi-trailing arms hanging off a beam. The beam has bushes as do the two mountings for the arms.
It'll probably fail if anything is knocking and will defo handle like curse word either way.
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What bushes? 3 series had an IRS not an axle? do you mean the subframe bushes sort of under the back seat near the sill? Total pain in the ass if it's them and they are rusted in and deffo a fail, fragged many a E30 and even the breakers I do it for often leave the rear end on cos they can't be arsed to fight the buggers Not expensive, they can just be a right pain, have a look on the E30ZONE i'm sure there's some threads on there about em. Yep, subframe bushes under the rear seat, right against the sills, plate held in on sills with what seems to be a pair of allen heads. |
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Well those are easy.
if its the same as the e36, the plates are held on with 3 bolts and one big bolt that goes though the plate into the bush in the trailing arm.
they are a doddle. just cut them out with a hacksaw while still on the car.
make sure you get all the bush out. We had a few non starts with my mates, due to taking all the rubber out, not realising that the outer metal skin to the bush was still in place. so the new bushes wouldn't fit.
that is an afternoon job with good tools at hand. a g clamp, heet, some studding, plates and nuts, a hacksaw, and other normal tools.
Do you have or can you find a pic of the suspension setup. if so i should be able to tell you if it is the same, and how to do it if it is!
Lewis
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not the same as e36, imagine the e36 one vertical and twice the size with a pin thats forced into the body running through it. you can drop it (like it hot) but usually the exhaust straps break and the handbrake cables seized and the allen bolts in the sill round off and..... I has special tool  and I've done more than hot meals and could probably do them on car without the tool so my offer stands, Rian oh, and check out www.e30tech.com/forum/ like e30zone but with more info and tech (I am a 'zoner now though ;D). theived pic- the bushes are at the end of the axle beam-  they should fail an MOT as they have collapsed, but many MOT testers don't spot it as the plate underneath holds them up as a safety precaution. usually they aren't bad enough/ the axle is heavy enough that the tester can't see the free movement. |
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They are a curse word to do but make a massive difference when done! I have some brand new ones on my shelf if you need some for the price of postage
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Croaky..... !!
This site continues to be amazing.
That is a very generous offer, thanks.
Earlier I had decided that with my limited skills, no specialised tools or ability, I would walk away from this car, as the costs end up stacking up ultimately....
NOW, I am inspired, and will sleep on it and make a decission in the mornign when I get up to go over to Nicola's place to continue with the kitchen rebuild.... plumber is comming at 8am to cut the gas and water to the sink.
Maybe I should have a nice little 3 series, after all, I always liked these in 2 door.
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2009 21:09:35 GMT by grizz
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OK, just downloaded from my mobile phone..... Drivers side :  Passenger side:  And a pic of probably the "worst" rust on the car, Passenger rear wheel arch. Sorry only half of pic downloaded, but sure you get the idea.  |
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and I've done more than hot meals and could probably do them on car without the tool so my offer stands, Rian