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Sept 7, 2005 16:54:06 GMT
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if you work is less than 10 miles away - buy a scooter That's all well and good when it's lovely and sunny, but I wouldn't want to be using a scooter when its 6 degrees celsius outside and hacking down with rain! No amount of fuel economy could get me to do that!
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Sept 7, 2005 17:01:39 GMT
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you do get used to it........
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Sept 7, 2005 17:19:25 GMT
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I certainly didn't vote for the bloodsucking b*stards, I voted socialist!
There's no doubt about it, that more fuel protests are going to bring about temporary inconvenience and difficulty for us, you don't need to tell me, a good few members of my family, plus a number friends, are lorry drivers who were involved in the protests, so I saw plenty of houses with not much in the way of income among the other problems, but I say it's worth it if the result is fair fuel prices, it'll cost us in the short term but we'll save a lot of money when we're not being bled dry by Tony and his cronies!
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Sept 7, 2005 17:37:36 GMT
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heard somewhere it could end in civil war, can imagine that if the army are now possibly involved.
I certainly didnt vote for the nuggets either, but i did vote.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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KpMrJ
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Sept 7, 2005 19:20:26 GMT
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heard somewhere it could end in civil war, can imagine that if the army are now possibly involved. I certainly didnt vote for the nuggets either, but i did vote. I've been saying exactly this for many years ( before the original blockades ) Time will come, when the common man will take up arms, and there WILL be civil unrest in this country. J
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"You'll work hard with a gun in your back for a bowl of rice a day."
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"You'll work hard with a gun in your back for a bowl of rice a day." *n ?
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The last time this happened, Bliar condemned the protesters, saying that they can't hold the country to ransom, and that fuel is an "essential commodity". If fuel is an essential commodity, then why is it being taxed as a luxury? Surely it is as essential as heating fuels, and there's only 5% VAT on those.
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Sept 8, 2005 10:05:57 GMT
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heard somewhere it could end in civil war, can imagine that if the army are now possibly involved. Hmmm, has someone been watching too much Mad Max? Seriously though, I'd hate to think what the army would do in that situation, and what it would lead to.
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ImpManiac
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Sept 8, 2005 10:37:53 GMT
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I paid over £1 per litre for a tankfull for my Omega earlier this morning (100.9 p/litre). It made me SICK. Oil reserves are dwindling fast. North Sea oil has less than 15 years left. NS Gas about 10 years. New technologies have already been used to squeeze the last drops out of NS wells. As has already been said, demand is increasing, supplies are falling. It's simple economics. Unless alternative fuels are developed more seriously (work is being done in a limited way), the day will dawn when we cannot afford to drive our cars. Very sad, but true. I hate taxation of any kind but fuel duty is the last straw for motorists, especaiily at the rate we pay. The government actually is obliged to increase carbon tax every year - EU dictat, I think, or Kyoto, or summat. "The Carbon Tax escalator." Even so, I think we still pay the most of anyone in the EU. I cannot understand how the government can use the army to break up a legitimate protest. The fuel protesters are well organised and will be aware of what the laws say and how far they can go. Good luck to them. They have my support, although we will all be seriously inconvenienced. Blair needs to be aware that people cannot and will not accept "death by taxation." I, for one, am off to Korea to live... ;D ;D I'm
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Last Edit: Sept 8, 2005 10:39:56 GMT by ImpManiac
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MWF
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Sept 8, 2005 10:57:05 GMT
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Well last time Tony Blair reduced fuel tax by 10%, since then we've seen an increase on road tax and various hidden extras. I will expect the same will happen again. Fuel tax has to be made up somewhere, you can't just remove millions from the budget and expect that to dissapear.
We pay pretty much the same as the rest of Europe when it comes to fuel tax, less than Denmark. The only difference in the UK is hardly any of it is re-invested into the road network.
It is also worth pointing out that if you are willing to use LPG or buy a new low capacity economical car there are a lot of tax breaks out there. Now I certainly wont be ditching my 3.1 XR4i for a Modus but we should appreciate the government has given us options.
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Sept 8, 2005 11:08:56 GMT
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I say we go to Cuba. Fuel as cheap as milk, cigars and beards for everyone.
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mercmad
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Sept 8, 2005 11:44:02 GMT
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but due to is location gives the UK 'rights' over parts of antarctica where there is LOTS of oil.... Si and guess who wants to drill for oil in the north and south poles? ?But don't worry....what me worry...??
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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Sept 8, 2005 11:45:49 GMT
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I think that the issue here is for every increase in fuel cost, the price goes up buy 1.8 times that amount. Each time they say that they are dropping the tax they are in fact only putting it back towards where it was before in terms of tax revenue. Not only that, but the are getting more and more profits from the oil companies, mainly BP, and yet still they are no more in a position to let us choose a different fuel for our cars than before. Not even bio-diesel has been funded so we can run our cars off flowers!
Were it not for the fact that this particular bunch of incumbents have sold our gold reserves to France for a knock down price, began a war with the middle east and allowed more manufacturing jobs to go the way of the miners in the 70's-80's, they would have a leg to stand on. That is not to mention the state of our schools and hospitals. But, as now there is no choice between one bunch of tories and another bunch of Tories, there shall be no end to the tax (stealth in the case of this tory government) and spend destructive government that want the middle Englanders to fund all their follies, like the French aristocracy... before they lost their heads. One can only hope. BRATSTDS.
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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Sept 8, 2005 11:49:11 GMT
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Brazil switch to Alcohol fuel for a while in the 70's? I've looked into running cars on alcohol (quite a few people do it in the States by the looks of it), and it isn't really that hard to do. Obviously finding sources of alcohol on the M5 could be difficult if you're about to run out...
Is there a reason why we don't ditch petrol for alcohol? I'm tempted.... ;D
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Sept 8, 2005 12:00:28 GMT
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I'm fairly sure that a blend of alcohol and bio-diesel can be used as a direct pour in the tank replacement for petrol.
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Sept 8, 2005 12:12:29 GMT
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but due to is location gives the UK 'rights' over parts of antarctica where there is LOTS of oil.... Si and guess who wants to drill for oil in the north and south poles? ?But don't worry....what me worry...?? They'll have a hell of a time at the north pole - unstable ice sheets and no land underneath them... *n
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mercmad
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Flush Hard,it's a long way to McDonalds.
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Sept 8, 2005 12:13:11 GMT
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On the evening news here in Sunny Brisbane,About 1/2 hour ago,Mr Graham Samuels of the Australian Securities Commmision said tonight that he is very suspicious of the price of oil,as the cost per liter has risen(in Sydney NSW) to 149.9 cents per liter. What has given rise to this mans questioning is the whole sale margin of oil.Originally the wholesalers margin was a very profitable $5 per barrel,(a barrel being 36 US gallons) but today the wholesalers profit margin has risen to $17 per barrel. There NO reason for this margin being so high Mr Samuels maintains and ,he noted, the problem is world wide and is causing actual hardship. MY own contention is that politicians like Our Howard and your Blair are WEAK, and are being influenced by having vested interests. It sounds like some sort of conspiracy theory until you hear both of them saying there is nothing they can do about it. especially galling when you realise that OZ exports MORE oil than it uses,and NO oil is NOT running out.There have been new discoveries off western OZ this year which are as big as iraq.Then there is the oil off East Timor in the Area known the Timor gap. The main problem is US ,we Will not stand up and say "enough is enough" because we are too lazy or can't be bothered because it is felt that someone else will do it for us...as a result we get the politicians we deserve ,,,Blair and Howard...who jump to the bush command.
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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mercmad
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Flush Hard,it's a long way to McDonalds.
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Sept 8, 2005 12:22:05 GMT
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and guess who wants to drill for oil in the north and south poles? ?But don't worry....what me worry...?? They'll have a hell of a time at the north pole - unstable ice sheets and no land underneath them... *n Thats my main objection,the USA wants the right to drill for oil there because no one owns the area,and if they spill the oil no one will be around to see it. The USA refuses to be guided in matters of the enviroment if it's not in their country. In Bush seniors time ,bush junior was defeated in an attempt to have drilling recomence off the california coast,now that he is president ,the drilling has started again and any "green ' protest is crushed. BUT,the real problem is the cost and the underhand dealings that are pushing the price so high. Originally the price increase of $1 US in the price per barrel of Crude would increase the cost at the petrol pump by 1 cent.Now the increase at the petrol pump is 5-10 cents per liter.And as has been noted tonight,the profit margin for the speculators has increased by $12 per barrel from $5. Sheer theft and nothing else
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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ImpManiac
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Sept 8, 2005 12:26:37 GMT
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AFAIK, biodiesel could be cracked to give lighter fractions, including gasoline-like fuels... Why hasn't this been looked at? Not yet any profit in it, that's why. These oil companies that spout sh*te about being so environmentally-conscious are the world's biggest hypocrites! If fields that were being left fallow or unused were switched over to rapeseed growing, I once read, GB could become almost self-sufficient for diesel by literally growing it... I'm
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