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Mar 13, 2009 20:36:54 GMT
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As I think was brought up in a thread the other day a few of manufacturers are offering money for older cars when they're traded in for new supposedly environmentally friendly cars. The current schemes are funded by the manufacturers but the dealers are pushing for a government funded scheme that will mean the you get £2000 against your new car if the PX is only 9 years or older. If it gets the go ahead then they recon 250,000 cars and 30,000 LCV's will go through the program in 18 months. Of course the dealers are saying it's for environmental reasons but in reality it's an attempt to subsidise the struggling motor industry through another route. With Mandelson saying he regrets slow action on helping the motor industry don't be surprised if this is rushed through. I guess what it means for retro fans is that lots and lots of cars between 9-20 years old will just disappear as they're traded in or bought up to be traded in. As WE know this whole brand new car for old thing is a bit spurious as building a brand new car is hardly an environmental exercise. Do you still get the £2000 if you trade in your year 1998 astra diesel against a v8 Range Rover Sport? I know this idea's been on the go for a while but don't be surprised if it happens sooner. Here's the article. www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/story/SMMT-repeats-call-for-car-scrappage-scheme/49455There's currently a No 10 petition for this to happen. petitions.number10.gov.uk/scrappagescheme/I think there should also be one against it do you not think? Does anyone know any facts and figures on the environmental impact of keeping an older car going v buying a brand new one? I know this is all a bit depressing but this really annoys me. Let them Rust in Peace.  |
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Mar 13, 2009 20:43:09 GMT
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Mar 13, 2009 20:47:14 GMT
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Mar 13, 2009 20:47:28 GMT
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It may well get whinge binned but if it does go through there's going to be a few less retros to talk about next year.
That's a good article. So you can trade your 10 year old Corsa in for a Cayenne Turbo and still get 2 grand?
The kind of puts the mental in Environmental.
I've been watching this story for a few months now and they're really pushing for it now they;ve got the Scheme in Germany.
Do any of the German board members know anything about the scheme?
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Mar 13, 2009 21:06:30 GMT
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I have a huge dislike for this scheme. What amazes me though is that people would be (and indeed are) surrendering their cars for an extra £2k off that they could almost certainly have had as discount anyway. I doubt if you mentioned the "green" scheme after haggling they'd still honour the £2k reduction.
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Mar 13, 2009 21:13:50 GMT
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It's win win for the dealers as the government pays for the the 2 grand discount they're giving off the new car.
The thing is people are going to have to take credit to get these new cars. Is this not part of the problem we're in just now?
It's amazing how good a 10 year old + daily you can get for about £1000 now without life crippling finance.
I give you Nissan Primera GT, Merc 124's and BMW E39's.
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Mar 13, 2009 21:56:17 GMT
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What does this do to scrappies and the non-main dealer mechanic when there are much less older cars to fix? I doubt the scheme help everyone out
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Use the diesel for washing your kegs in. The diesel will lubricate the cotton fibres and make them last longer although your nads will honk of diesel. Also don't use red diesel for this for obvious reasons. |
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Mar 13, 2009 22:07:16 GMT
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I can't remember the exact wording, but PFChris made an excellent post a while ago, on another thread which started out bemoaning a possible 'anti-retro' government policy ... it was to the effect that: if, in the future, there were no more old cars to drive, I'd rather have memories of blatting round in them and having a blast, than just getting stressed and ranting about what may happen...
Everyone knows that schemes such as this will happen (or not) regardless of how many petitions are signed, so I really don't see the point in getting riled about them. Just face the fact that there will be a lot less retro material about, and concentrate on making more use of what we've got. Incidentally, despite banger racers actively seeking out decent metal to destroy, there's still plenty of J-tin and Farina saloons around, so I can't help thinking there's some over-reaction involved too.
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...a redder shade of neck on a whiter shade of trash...
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Mar 13, 2009 22:09:44 GMT
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Mar 13, 2009 22:13:13 GMT
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That's the spirit, boys!
Accept defeat as inevitable! Yessiree!
This from the country that ruled the oceans, defeated Napoleon, and won the Battle of Britain?
WTF?
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Mar 13, 2009 22:23:02 GMT
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I can't remember the exact wording, but PFChris made an excellent post a while ago, on another thread which started out bemoaning a possible 'anti-retro' government policy ... it was to the effect that: if, in the future, there were no more old cars to drive, I'd rather have memories of blatting round in them and having a blast, than just getting stressed and ranting about what may happen... Everyone knows that schemes such as this will happen (or not) regardless of how many petitions are signed, so I really don't see the point in getting riled about them. Just face the fact that there will be a lot less retro material about, and concentrate on making more use of what we've got. Incidentally, despite banger racers actively seeking out decent metal to destroy, there's still plenty of J-tin and Farina saloons around, so I can't help thinking there's some over-reaction involved too. The thing is 250,000 car in 18 months is more than many thousand banger boys will go through in a life time. I think what gets to me the most about it is the big lie that new cars will save the planet when it's being pushed through by the SMMT to help dealers sell more cars. It'll also dry up the bottom end of the market possibly forcing people who'd normally drive a £1000 car into finance on a new car they maybe don't want. |
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Mar 13, 2009 22:45:43 GMT
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I fully agree with cort16..
I think its stupid....
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Mar 13, 2009 22:50:03 GMT
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That's the spirit, boys! This from the country that ruled the oceans, defeated Napoleon, and won the Battle of Britain? Thing is, the everyday common people didn't exactly get a great deal at the time of the 'Empire', either  although the Spitties kisked ass, I'll give you that  The great thing about the British is their resourcefulness, and their ability to make something good out of a really curse word situation. I know it's frustrating to watch people getting fooled by pseudo-environmental bulls**t, but the auto industry has far more clout than enthusiasts ever will, and as we all know, money always wins... Ultimately, there will always be people who can't afford the finance deals, even with a £2k discount, and there will always be genuine petrolheads to rescue and preserve as many cars as possible. I personally don't have the time or energy to be constantly 'sticking it to the man': as long as they don't try to deprive me of my right to own & run an older car, I'll find a way to keep them on the road. IBTWB etc ;D |
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...a redder shade of neck on a whiter shade of trash...
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Mar 13, 2009 23:19:25 GMT
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I don't think they'll ever stop you owning an old car if you want to. I think even that may be a step too far.
The thing is out of the 250,000 cars most of it will be tat but even if 1% of it's significant that's 2500 things that I'm really interested in being destroyed.
For me that plus all the other reasons mentioned makes it at least worth objecting too.
Maybe they should give us back the 25 year free car tax rule to even it out a bit.
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Mar 13, 2009 23:19:57 GMT
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People like you and me are bright and observant and they cant fool us.
The people however are always easily lead and apathetic.
Thats the way things are.
In 20 years time todays moderns will be retros.
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Mar 13, 2009 23:49:27 GMT
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That's the spirit, boys! This from the country that ruled the oceans, defeated Napoleon, and won the Battle of Britain? Thing is, the everyday common people didn't exactly get a great deal at the time of the 'Empire', either although the Spitties kisked ass, I'll give you that The great thing about the British is their resourcefulness, and their ability to make something good out of a really curse word situation. I know it's frustrating to watch people getting fooled by pseudo-environmental bulls**t, but the auto industry has far more clout than enthusiasts ever will.... The UK has an auto industry? Really? Thought it all went to India and Germany the last 20 years. I wasn't celebrating your bloody Empire, RD. I was celebrating the bulldog-gedness and grit of the tough mil-spec Tommys I've met and dealt with. Even some of your Goths are tough FFS! If the enviro-nuts hadn't successfully seeded the ground ahead of this buy-back BS, then it wouldn't have happened. Fact is, you guys aren't on the stick. You got all those rights from the Magna Carta, AND YOU'RE FRICKIN' WASTING IT! Beastie Boys: "You gotta fight for you're right to party" (and own property). Oh hell yeah, your cars are next. I don't have enuf fingers to count how many bills have been proposed to outright ban old cars from urban zones, tax them into submission, or inspect them into oblivion. The EU wants them all banned after a pre-determined "life cycle" and then "recycled". Mobility is the ultimate form of tyrannical control. When they get it all done, it will be walking, bicycles, choo-choos, and buses. Soylent Green, it's people! Sorry for the book. |
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Been reading about this "plan" over the past weeks. Yes, it sucks. However, they've had this in Germany for a long time. And Germany is still full of retro treasure. |
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I heard about some thing in germany where they are only letting cars made after some year or other (late ninties IIRC) into a city (cant remember which one)
I also heard that Edinborough are considering it too.
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Soylent Green, it's people! That, right there, is the most perfect summary of this thread and all others like it. Well said, dude ;D |
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I'm not sure it'll happen in Edinburgh. Edinburgh was the first city after London Village to be offer the congestion charge and Edinburgh told them fimly to b*gger off. I think they should give retro rides the first choice on the 250,000 cars they're talking about scrapping to make sure nothing good gets scrapped  |
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although the Spitties kisked ass, I'll give you that 
