dubwarrior2
Part of things
"Open up, its the filth"
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I've got no issues at all with "SHOW ME" or "Tell me about" threads and have probably started some myself. Its not cos I'm lazy and can't be arsed to search its probably because I am sick of searching and getting the same useless results back. I really don't think we should be discouraging people from asking for help with anything. When that starts to happen we can kiss goodbye to the forum and car scene in general.
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I really don't think we should be discouraging people from asking for help with anything. I agree, and thankfully no one has made any such suggestion in this thread. Allocating requests for help into a sub-board is nothing to do with discouraging anything. It is organizational.
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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4 pages of folk describing whats in their boot is a good example. True true,... so thats one... and the Fiagro thread is probably guilty... so thats 2 out of 50 so far... what else we got? I agree this thread wasn't of the highest retro content, but I think it should be noted that while some do class it as "dross", it quickly reached 5 pages and has seen over 1,000 views in just over 48hrs. That does suggest to me that it is of interest to some - just for the banter I suppose. Obviously I don't want the whole forum to be full of threads like this - and nor do I want to cause an argument - but I do think that it should be noted that this particular thread has seen quite a high footfall. It's as they say, 'people vote by their feet' ... I think...
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I understand Grizz´s original post and i agree. The problem is not the "show me" threads but how much effort is put into them sometimes. It has raised a discussion that, although being valid contibutes to watering down the quality of the "general board" in itsself. I think that one of the strengths of the forum is that most of the time it regulates itself. If no effort is put in, the thread will normally be ignored or get little feedback and drop off the bottom in a couple of hours anyway. This wouldn´t happen if it was in it´s own little sub section Norm. The variety and amount of posts going through the "general" section is probably one of the reasons RR is as good as it is today. If you split it all up into lots of different sections (like most other forums do) it would just be diluting the variety. Oh and i don´t see a problem when a good thread drops off page 1 because there´s a lot going on, don´t you read page 2 or 3?
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Feb 27, 2009 11:33:17 GMT
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Well, at the risk of getting into the whinge bin, some days this forum turns into a pretty picture gallery. Not that that's an entirely bad thing, but I though forums were for opinions and help. Maybe have a section for the 'Show Mes'?
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MWF
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Feb 27, 2009 11:54:08 GMT
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I don't think thread laziness is exclusive to RR - I've seen it happening on all the forums I frequent. I'm a member of a forum for design freelancers and it's not unusual for people on there to post up threads asking for people to come up with their company name, design their logo, give guidance on all their work etc...
A year or so back when I was on the Ford forums people would regular ask the whole forum for guidance on everything from what wheels were the best to get from what colour to paint their car to asking what trainers they should buy.
We in a time where people expect the Internet to provide an easy free source of everything. We're all getting a little lazy.
What I liked about the early stages of RR was the buzz of excitement and enthusiasm to go out and find new things, then share information about it. I'm not surprised that's died down a little over time and I appreciate the entertainment and education I got out of it - I simply don't expect that now, times have changed, it was a golden era.
I myself have also gone through a process too and it's wrong of members like me to groan and complain when others are starting that process themselves.
Yes there is dross on this forum and imo that's a healthy thing to have, not everyone here is looking to be ultra serious all the time, and as ever the mantra is not to grumble and complain about bad threads but to post good ones.
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Feb 27, 2009 12:29:39 GMT
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I think the show me treads are fine so long as they are started with a couple of examples from the original poster Just back from Manchester, and saw this thread. I guess the summary of Grumpy and Nightmares comments is about where I see it. Overall, the Show me threads definitely brings stuff out of the dungeons, and into public domain, which in itself is a great thing, enriching us all I myself went onto the Figaro thread a few times, and sent it to Nicola, as she loves them. Anyway. as also mentioned, I guess a bit of show us from these posters would help. I am surely to blame for it or similar threads in the past. Overall, RR's is what it is because of who we are.... so long may the Status Quo reign. 2008: 1974: Just how cool is that ??
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Feb 27, 2009 12:30:19 GMT
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PS: Sorry for bottom pic size.
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Feb 27, 2009 12:56:22 GMT
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You can't see it mate......
TBH other forums don't have that many picture only threads, and they don't normally have threads that exist only to get a collection of pics. They have chat and ask opinions, they whinge about stuff (it's natural) and don't just talk about the forum's subject exclusively, but they usually have a 'Non Whatever' section for stuff that's off topic.
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Feb 27, 2009 13:11:51 GMT
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I've got no issues at all with "SHOW ME" or "Tell me about" threads and have probably started some myself. Its not cos I'm lazy and can't be arsed to search its probably because I am sick of searching and getting the same useless results back. I really don't think we should be discouraging people from asking for help with anything. When that starts to happen we can kiss goodbye to the forum and car scene in general.
Can you pick out one of your images for your sig chap, its HUGE!
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Feb 27, 2009 13:23:21 GMT
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If no effort is put in, the thread will normally be ignored or get little feedback and drop off the bottom in a couple of hours anyway. This wouldn´t happen if it was in it´s own little sub section Norm. I think it's more complicated than "market forces" will tend to things. The categories of posts I have outlined above, for example, can collectively shove worthy topics off the top page within an hour. And as any web pro knows, once a topic is off page 1 (for example at Google searches), most people won't be arsed to investigate. Fact of life. Now what does that do? Well.... if you spent considerable time writing up a museum trip, complete with pics, and the next 15 posters are in a hurry to discuss their MOT, woggle bolt issues, or wish Grizz happy BD (which I did as well, BTW), then it redounds to shoving top quality info right off the top page before it's had a chance to impress the bulk of Gen Board Readers. That's the issue. That's the danger of peppering the Gen Board with posts about personal greetings, repair questions, and "where can I buy" questions. Besides, RSM and the Classifieds are in "their own little sub sections" and I don't think anyone here believes they are diminished as a result, do we? OK, I've posted enough about this. All positive intentions intended. This is a wonderful place, with wonderful people, including myself. ;D
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Last Edit: Feb 27, 2009 13:25:08 GMT by Team Blitz
Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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Feb 27, 2009 14:53:07 GMT
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I've got no issues at all with "SHOW ME" or "Tell me about" threads and have probably started some myself. Its not cos I'm lazy and can't be arsed to search its probably because I am sick of searching and getting the same useless results back. I really don't think we should be discouraging people from asking for help with anything. When that starts to happen we can kiss goodbye to the forum and car scene in general.
I have no objection to anybody asking for help or offering it. Just compiling an 8 page thread of just pictures is hardly going to help anybody get their car on the road is it though? Maybe might help with how it will look or what colour it will be, but won't get you through the MOT will it?
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Hirst
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This avatar is inaccurate, I've never shaved that closely
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Feb 27, 2009 20:40:30 GMT
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With regards to "show me" threads, it goes along with anything else, if I go in a thread and it's just someone expecting people to do everything for them, I hit backspace. If people make the effort, I will too. If everyone did the same, the rubbish would float down to the bottom and activity would be concentrated in decent topics. There are some good "show me" threads out there, but like everything else, it depends on the effort made initially.
However can I just add a little gripe of my own? It's not big enough to really make a new topic over.....
Could people try making topic subject titles as relevant as possible?
I know you can't always sum up the content of a thread in a little subject title, but give me a clue! The fact is I just don't have the time to go in every thread to see if it might be of interest to me, we're interested in different stuff, have different areas of knowledge, etc.
For example, let's just say someone found something on the Internet about some crazy guy making a Dacia Denem racing car with a triple rotor engine and ludicrous offset deep-dish wheels (sadly it's fictional, that sounds pretty damn cool).
If the thread was called something like "Insane 3-rotor Dacia Denem rally car!" I would be over there in a shot, but knowing my luck it'll be titled "Hey that's mental look at this" or "WHOA!!!!!!!!!" and I'll just skim my way past it assuming it'll be some link to something I've already seen ten times over.
Basically, the subject title is like an advertisement to your thread - make it count!
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Feb 27, 2009 21:09:06 GMT
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Most of the questions asked on here could be solved with a bit of searching on the internet. But that wouldn't make for much of a community. What he said. Also a lot of people have sort of 'private' pictures in their collections and are willing to show them with some prompting. 'Show me' threads are almost always worth looking at, complaining about them is petty imho.
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Corsa Apology Champion 2014.
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Feb 27, 2009 21:57:26 GMT
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I personally would not call another members thread dross, if it doesn't interest me i just carry on by no problem, and as for the titles we can't all be so inventive wordsmiths and so use a "well known phrase or saying" this is a great forum all the better for the many varied subjects in general board.
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"Was today really necessary?"
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Hirst
Posted a lot
This avatar is inaccurate, I've never shaved that closely
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Feb 27, 2009 22:15:19 GMT
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as for the titles we can't all be so inventive wordsmiths and so use a "well known phrase or saying" I must admit, it is incredibly difficult to come up with titles like "Best way of setting up a carb?", "Vintage business vans" or "Benz 190E Super-Widebody". Therefore I'm going to call my next topic "CRACKING TEA GROMIT" or maybe "BO SELECTA". Thanks for the advice!
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thread titles is my pet peev as well as it happens, its not hard to be clear, no one expects every thread to have an amazing pun as its title, i think the last one i started was called "Continental kits" not witty or clever, but its what the thread was about.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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I didnt say "full" of dross, just that there was a lot of it. So far 2 threads in 50... 5% I'd genuinely like to know what others, so I know what sort of things people don't want to see. I do explicitly remember a post of your own at one point saying that you couldn't find a single interesting thread in all of general in the first 5 pages (or something like that) i only remember it because it included one of mine here endeth my interupptance
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Personally I like the 'show me' threads as I enjoy looking for pictures as well as seeing others that people have posted, but I agree that people should make more of a effort when asking for them.
I also think it encourages new members to post on the board rather then just to watch and feel awkward about posting something which I think threads like this does.
I also think the standard of threads has improved since the slight lapse over christmas regarding 'he who shall be named'. Just my views I guess.
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Last Edit: Feb 28, 2009 2:19:54 GMT by trigger
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Feb 28, 2009 12:43:41 GMT
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Well I for one am impressed this hasn't ended up in the whinge bin, nice one admin (waits for it to be moved now)
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