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Right I've got a bit done over the weekend, offered up the wheels and they look awsome! Gonna have to tub the arches out though: Also rubbed back and painted a load of the chassis got most of the top done but need flip it over and do the under side. And I found my first rust hole That's a ciggy filter next to it, so I'm not all that fussed! lol And yesterday i took all the suspension off the front appart from one bolt which is a curse word! The thread is sheard half way down the shaft and there's no way to get at it with a mangle winder without cutting a chunk out of the chassis! don't quite know what I'm gonna do with it but i'll get a propper look at it when the chassis is flipped upsidedown this eve.
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Hmm, the chassis on these looks pretty basic. I'm assuming that it will get a roll cage tied in to the chassis to resist the twist of the bike engine? If not, could be very exciting...
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Yeah Definatly!!!! don't want to end up in a ditch in a 450kg plastic car with no cage!! Death would be certain!!
I really sould have explained the basic plan which is as follows:
Rear mounted bike engine Double wishbone suspension all round (standard but widened at the front) and move the rear wheels back a few inches. Torsen diff from an import MX-5 (Enous) or somthing similar converted to run a bike chain. Fuel cell (Which I need to photograph), rad, battery and anything else that will fit up front. Big wide arches all round and a big splitter up front sort of berg cup style. Role cage.
Think thats it!
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Ahaaa! I had imagined that you would be running the bike engine and box up the front similar to the original setup, retaining a driveshaft and live rear axle.
Sorry if this is all assumed knowledge for bike-engined Reliant 101, but out here in Australia almost nobody builds bike engined cars and we don't have anything which much resembles a Reliant Kitten. Probably the closest Aussie thing would be the good old Lightburn Zeta, but they were so awful that almost none of them were sold so you only see them in museums! I do like bike engined cars though, especially when they're lightweight and have retro-cool bodywork!
Sounds like an excellent project, the driveline/rear end will be much like the Formula SAE cars that the 4th years are always playing with at my uni, except they can only use a 600cc. They made their own differential set-up but I imagine the cost was fairly awesome, plus it took a team of engineers quite a few months!
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Good work!
I'm doing similar with my Kitten. But keeping engine in the front, prop driving the rear wheels.
Trying to source a crashed R1 on the Isle of Man. Might have better luck after the TT races in a few months.
I really must get round to updating my diary.
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Been thinking about moving the rear wheels back a bit just to get more stable handleing I think it looks a lot better too! Did this in paint! The top pic has the wheels moved back about 4-5 inches.
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Hi there, quick update! Affraid I havn't made much progress at all recently, had a cam belt / water pump go on my daily so had a 3am mission to put a new one on! had to go to two halfords to get the bits. One for the belt then a treck over to another for the water pump! Didn't have a cam locking tool so managed to bodge one up with a piece of ally sheet two bits of cam belt and some impact adhesive! Now I've decided to sell the car so I've had to spend a load of time on it to get it up to scratch! So now hopfully after this weekend I'll be starting to get a bit done! I have been getting a few parts together though! An exhaust this picture dosn't do it justice it looks a bit nicer than that! And I've got two of these for the front! They're CBR600 rear shocks and I'm gonna be making a double wishbone set up with push rods and inboard shock front and back! Only thing I have been able to do is get the chassis right up in the air so I can remove the rust in comfort! Thats it for now! gonna have to crack on with this getting really frustrated with the lack of progress!
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Loving your plans, this is gonna be wicked. Wheels definitely look better for being a bit further back (they are the mutts nuts by the way!) Love the van idea as well! How cool to start this up with doors closed, pop them open and roll out Super cool!
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I'm new here but just wanted to say that this looks awesome - can't wait to see it finished
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is it new zx10 or old zx10? either way thats a cheap engine!
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Cheers Guys! It's a old ZX10 engine 1989 but for £160 with carbs, starter etc whos complaining! And the wheels! I'm so pleased with the wheels and tyres! Wow! Those Look Wicked! Can't wait to see the rest of the pics! Ok motivation levels are well and truly back up but I can't do anything till monday cos I'm going to be dressing up as a pirate and getting drunk on a hire boat in norfolk this weekend! Whoop Whoop!
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good to see this getting on, the kimini guy's new project the midlana, was also planning on using bike shocks on the front but he couldn't get the installation ratio right and the stroke was two short, personally i think the guy is a little too much of a perfectionist, What your plan? May i suggest you get rear shock from really heavy bikes like the old cbr1000 and gsxr1100? gsxr ones have a really nice feel to them.
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Theres the GTR1000. The touring bike version of the ZX10. It has shaft drive. Think its detuned though. Would be easier to fit into a car I geuss. No chain conversion to worry about.
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Right this is the plan for the suspension it will be double wishbone all round, havn't shown it all cos I'm at work and can't spend too much time drawing (or rather already taken too long drawing) but it shows the linkages and the principle. Pretty sure that this is sound theory tell me if I'm going wrong!:-I can adjust the amount of force that can be applied to the shocks and the ratio of shock travel to suspension travel, just by changing the positions of the holes on the rockers. As bike shocks are a lot harder to compress than car ones (due to the fact that the weight is spread between two points rather than 4 and the swing ard gives a lot of leverage over the shock) it dosn't matter that I've only got about 60mm (2.5 inches) of travel on the shock its self because the wheel side of the rocker can have a much larger lever than the shock side! These pics show the lower arm of the wishbone moving up about 80 / 90mm and the shock compressing by 30mm! The advantage of this is that the suspension can react faster as there is less resistance in terms of weight. There's not less unsprung mass as most people think (infact theres more) it's just that you don't have to move it as far and you have a mechanical advantage over the suspension unit. The other advantage is that bike shocks are cheep £20 each for a coil over with adjustable height, damping and rebound and a remote nitrogen canister! Back of the net!
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that looks spot on, an installation ratio of 3:1 seems fine, 7.5" of travel is right, but maybe you should check your spring poundage? after all it will be three times softer with that leverage on it.
mind you i went out and had a look at my cbr6, never realized exactly how much leverage is on that shock!
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Why not have your rocker as a triangle? Surely it'll be stronger that way? Just think that you could quite easily snap the 'arm' bit off quite easily as is...
Freaking awesome project any road :-)
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"Mechanical Power Subduing Animal Speed" (Robert Trevithick, 1808)
'72 BMW 2000 Touring '99 TT 180 (mrs) '72 BMW 2500
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heres a couple of pics to cheer you up The grey one in the pic i seen in leicester the other day while driving my taxi looked pretty good
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knobstar has a point, maybe you could radius the sharp corner?
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