Akira
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I've just checked mine...there is a date on there (item 4b.) that might be an expiry but it's certainly not stating it as one. There's a key on the back that states what each bit of info is. 4b is your card expiry date, as I said earlier.
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I've just checked mine...there is a date on there (item 4b.) that might be an expiry but it's certainly not stating it as one. Before this post I was unaware of it having an expiry date at all. I'd be asking some questions to the police, the DVLA and my insurance company. 4b is the renewal date... I've just checked mine, only recently sent to them for a change of address, and the new one has a hologram in the bottom left corner, with expiry date, and the last 5 digits of your driving number
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murran
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if as that dvla page says, you still have a driving licence whether the stupid picture is out of date or not. id make a silent protest by not wasting £17.50!
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Definately seems like ive been 'had'. I wasnt aware that my photo ever needed renewing. Thinking abou tit i suppose i will look different when I'm 70 but i cant say i think that far in advance. I havent done anything wrong so i know i wont get into any trouble so i will definately be having a few choice words with some senior staff of Herts Police.
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fordghiarsxrboy
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old fords don't die... i buy them!!
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sorry for hijacking your thread but it makes me angry. i had a similar incident a year ago,tax'd, mot'd insured.my crime was havin my show plates on driving back from the pod.i'd just picked my boy up(1 at the time) and was headin out of biggleswade when an eagle eyed twenty some thing saw me.i knew instantly what was wrong and waited for the blues.well he followed me onto the a1 where he decided after 1 mile and 2 lay bys to try and stop me.with my little boy in the car i refused to stop on the a1 so carried on till i came to a slip road. he may as well of raped me on the spot.he summoned me to court for the plates,not stoppin straight away,and said a fine of 1000 pounds was likely as the address on my license was my old address.he ripped the plates off my car as evidence and told me the car would have to be recovered as it was illegal to drive now. with my son cryin,me about to commit another crime using a jack handle,i explaine i had to get him home as he had made a mess in his nappy to which he replied "shouldnt be in a death trap any way" it all came clear in the end.my crime.a slammed big rimmed noisy mk3 escy cabby.after another 30 mins by the side of the road i told him what a tosser he was and said he could arrest me at home and told him i was goin.to which he replied,see you in court............................. a year later i'm still waitin
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one retro ride is never enough 2001 transit 2.4 red 1989 escort ghia 2.0 16v bike carb'd 1989 escort estate 1.4 gl 2008 vauxsnail zafira sri (wife's choice)
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4b is the renewal date... I've just found it...I wonder if that's some sort of eye test? ^ from the thisislondon website (that's enlarged!).
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get onto them and tell them its the photo thats out of date which then doesnt make the licence outdated - its only the photo - if its got the date you passed yer test and the date yer 70 youll be fine
get causing some bacon some paperwork via a brief
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Oddly enough, my license was issued Sept 97 and I've received no pack, and checking the '4b' on my photcard it says - 21-09-09 Weird - Isn't that 12 years?
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Copied and pasted from another forum, who copied it from an MOD email circular... Seems its all a monumental cock-up ;D and NO-ONE should be prosecuted over what is effectivly a clerical error. More useful stuff to print out and use in your complaint.
"DEAR ALL
A Note from the Army Master Driver!
Unwitting motorists face £1,000 fines as thousands of photocard driving licences expire
Thousands of motorists are at risk of being fined up to £1,000 because they are unwittingly driving without a valid licence.
They risk prosecution after failing to spot the extremely small print on their photocard licence which says it automatically expires after 10 years and has to be renewed - even though drivers are licensed to drive until the age of 70.
The fiasco has come to light a decade after the first batch of photo licences was issued in July 1998, just as the they start to expire.
Motoring organisations blamed the Government for the fiasco and said 'most' drivers believed their licences were for life.
A mock-up driving licence from 1998 when the photocards were launched shows the imminent expiry date as item '4b'
They said officials had failed to publicise sufficiently the fact that new-style licences - unlike the old paper ones - expire after a set period and have to be renewed.
To rub salt into wounds, drivers will have to a pay L17.50 to renew their card - a charge which critics have condemned as a 'stealth tax' and which will earn the Treasury an estimated L437million over 25 years.
Official DVLA figures reveal that while 16,136 expired this summer, so far only 11,566 drivers have renewed, leaving 4,570 outstanding.
With another 300,000 photocard licences due to expire over the coming year, experts fear the number of invalid licences will soar, putting thousands more drivers in breach of the law and at risk of a fine.
At the heart of the confusion is the small print on the tiny credit-card-size photo licence, which is used in conjunction with the paper version.
Just below the driver name on the front of the photocard licence is a series of dates and details - each one numbered.
Number 4b features a date in tiny writing, but no explicit explanation as to what it means.
The date's significance is only explained if the driver turns over the card and reads the key on the back which states that '4b' means 'licence valid to'.
Even more confusingly, an adjacent table on the rear of the card sets out how long the driver is registered to hold a licence - that is until his or her 70th birthday.
A total of 25million new-style licences have been issued but - motoring experts say - drivers were never sufficiently warned they would expire after 10 years.
Motorists who fail to renew their licences in time are allowed to continue driving. But the DVLA says they could be charged with 'failing to surrender their licence', an offence carrying a £1,000 fine.
AA president, Edmund King said: 'It is not generally known that photocard licences expire: there appears to be a lack of information that people will have to renew these licences.
'People think they have already paid them for once over and that is it.
'It will come as a surprise to motorists and a shock that they have to pay an extra £17.50.'
The AA called on the Government to use the annual £450million from traffic enforcement fines to offset the renewal charge.
Before photocard licences were introduced, old-style paper licences were valid until the age of 70.
'Many motorists still believe this to be the case with the new ones.'
Driving instructor Tony Carter, of Canterbury, said: 'It's outrageous; everybody thinks their driving licence is for life.
'Why - when you have already paid L50 for your photocard licence - should you pay the Government an extra £17.50 every 10 years?
'It's another stealth tax. Drivers will be very annoyed.'
Today the DVLA said the date of expiry was carried on the new-style licences, even though the AA says this is 'not clear'.
The Agency was unable to say whether motorists were told the licences would expire when they were first issued.
It said it was issuing postal reminders to drivers whose photograph was due to expire, to get the renewal message across. But a spokesman admitted this was the limit of the DVLA's publicity.
Experts say many drivers will slip through the net because DVLA records are inaccurate and many motorists have changed address, making it impossible to trace them.
A DVLA spokesman said: 'Previous experience has shown that wide-scale publicity is less effective and can generate enquiries and concerns from those not affected. Instead, DVLA focussed on targeted publicity to ensure that we got the message to the right person at the right time.'
The Driving Standards Agency is allowing L-test candidates with out-of-date photocard licences to sit their driving tests as long as they provide a valid passport. This concession will end in January next year, raising the prospect that some L-test candidates will be turned away.
The DVLA said no one had so far been charged with failing to surrender a licence."
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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4b is the renewal date... I've just found it...I wonder if that's some sort of eye test? ^ from the thisislondon website (that's enlarged!). seems like it ;D
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I've still got my retro paper version but its registered at my dads, will that get me lumbered in cr@p anyone know? suppose i'd better get a new one
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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[smugmode] I seem to remember when i brought this up a couple of months ago most of you lot said don't worry about it no one will ever get nicked for it. [/smugmode]
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Thanks for all the info guys, its good to see people on my side cos i havent had alot of that today. What worries me about stuff like this is that we are edging more and more towards a state run lifestyle. Having to carry around all your papers and id incase a copper wants to look at them and if you don't have them you get punished. Reminds me of a certain era in time around the 40's involving a group of germans. Just so I'm in keeping i submit a random pic from my photobucket:
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I hope you do contest it - the storage fees alone would make me feel extremely angry, not to mention the time and inconvenience it's cost you. What worries me about stuff like this is that we are edging more and more towards a state run lifestyle. Having to carry around all your papers and id incase a copper wants to look at them and if you don't have them you get punished. Reminds me of a certain era in time around the 40's involving a group of germans. Absolutely, but it isn't inevitable. Without wanting to stray way off topic there's groups like No2ID which oppose such creeping state control.
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sorry for hijacking your thread but it makes me angry. I had a similar incident a year ago,tax'd, mot'd insured.my crime was havin my show plates on driving back from the pod.i'd just picked my boy up(1 at the time) and was headin out of biggleswade when an eagle eyed twenty some thing saw me.i knew instantly what was wrong and waited for the blues.well he followed me onto the a1 where he decided after 1 mile and 2 lay bys to try and stop me.with my little boy in the car I refused to stop on the a1 so carried on till I came to a slip road. he may as well of raped me on the spot.he summoned me to court for the plates,not stoppin straight away,and said a fine of 1000 pounds was likely as the address on my license was my old address.he ripped the plates off my car as evidence and told me the car would have to be recovered as it was illegal to drive now. with my son cryin,me about to commit another crime using a jack handle,i explaine I had to get him home as he had made a mess in his nappy to which he replied "shouldnt be in a death trap any way" it all came clear in the end.my crime.a slammed big rimmed noisy mk3 escy cabby.after another 30 mins by the side of the road I told him what a tosser he was and said he could arrest me at home and told him I was goin.to which he replied,see you in court............................. a year later i'm still waitin the plod are not permitted to take your plates or remove anything from your car as they could cause damage and in doing so would commit an offence thus being liable
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what a PITA, id fight it too. I have to, for my sins, renew my license every 3 years after developing epilepsy ("drugs are bad, m'kay"). That's after I lost it for 2 years
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350
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I lost my photocard about 5 years ago, I still have the paper counterpart (the only thing europcar or hertz want to see when I hire something BTW) better get a new one I suppose.
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1985 Bedford CF2 camper 1991 Volvo 240 Turbo
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fordghiarsxrboy
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old fords don't die... i buy them!!
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sorry for hijacking your thread but it makes me angry. I had a similar incident a year ago,tax'd, mot'd insured.my crime was havin my show plates on driving back from the pod.i'd just picked my boy up(1 at the time) and was headin out of biggleswade when an eagle eyed twenty some thing saw me.i knew instantly what was wrong and waited for the blues.well he followed me onto the a1 where he decided after 1 mile and 2 lay bys to try and stop me.with my little boy in the car I refused to stop on the a1 so carried on till I came to a slip road. he may as well of raped me on the spot.he summoned me to court for the plates,not stoppin straight away,and said a fine of 1000 pounds was likely as the address on my license was my old address.he ripped the plates off my car as evidence and told me the car would have to be recovered as it was illegal to drive now. with my son cryin,me about to commit another crime using a jack handle,i explaine I had to get him home as he had made a mess in his nappy to which he replied "shouldnt be in a death trap any way" it all came clear in the end.my crime.a slammed big rimmed noisy mk3 escy cabby.after another 30 mins by the side of the road I told him what a tosser he was and said he could arrest me at home and told him I was goin.to which he replied,see you in court............................. a year later i'm still waitin the plod are not permitted to take your plates or remove anything from your car as they could cause damage and in doing so would commit an offence thus being liable never thought of that,schemeing b'stids
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one retro ride is never enough 2001 transit 2.4 red 1989 escort ghia 2.0 16v bike carb'd 1989 escort estate 1.4 gl 2008 vauxsnail zafira sri (wife's choice)
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