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Sept 25, 2008 21:05:31 GMT
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Last Edit: Sept 25, 2008 21:10:09 GMT by lewist123
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Sept 25, 2008 21:58:07 GMT
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8-)I really hope I can go to this.
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Sept 25, 2008 22:04:22 GMT
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I am pritty sure that i will be going! can't miss out on some skoda action!
Would you bring one of the fleet?
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Sept 25, 2008 22:11:41 GMT
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 I haven't got any cars other than old Skodas!
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jikovron
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Sept 25, 2008 22:19:56 GMT
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mmmmmmm that could be an excuse to get down to london town....................  i'm sure there will be some bad boy easternblok mobiles to get excited about (that's easy for me really ;D) |
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Last Edit: Sept 25, 2008 22:23:29 GMT by jikovron
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Seth
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Sept 25, 2008 22:21:38 GMT
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Stuck it in the diary. Will see what's up nearer the time  |
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable. |
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Sept 26, 2008 1:25:55 GMT
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Uhhhh.... I'm not so sure how happy folks in the Czech Republic, Hungary, East Germany, Poland, Lithuania, etc etc, would be having their cars referred to as "Eastern Bloc". Seeing as how Skoda, for example, existed way before and way after Stalin and the USSR put their jackboots across their throats for 50 years. FACT!  The labels "Red October" and "Eastern Bloc" kind of make light of half a century of forcible subjugation by a series of pig dicktaters. It was no gay laffing romp through history. People died on the streets, rebels for freedom, crushed by tanks, demanding the yoke be thrown off them. Stepping off soapbox. That said, I'd love to attend such a show of cars. I'd call it "Cars Of Eastern Europe", however. |
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Sept 26, 2008 5:13:38 GMT
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Uhhhh.... I'm not so sure how happy folks in the Czech Republic, Hungary, East Germany, Poland, Lithuania, etc etc, would be having their cars referred to as "Eastern Bloc". Seeing as how Skoda, for example, existed way before and way after Stalin and the USSR put their jackboots across their throats for 50 years. FACT! The labels "Red October" and "Eastern Bloc" kind of make light of half a century of forcible subjugation by a series of pig dicktaters. It was no gay laffing romp through history. People died on the streets, rebels for freedom, crushed by tanks, demanding the yoke be thrown off them. Stepping off soapbox. That said, I'd love to attend such a show of cars. I'd call it "Cars Of Eastern Europe", however. Hi Norm, keep taking the pills mate. ;D I can´t see many people in "Eastern Europe" being upset when an english car forum call them Eastern bloc, especially when you consider that most of them probably don´t even speak english! ;D Look forward to some ace eastern pics! |
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mercmad
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Sept 26, 2008 8:19:19 GMT
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having spent a lot time there after the fall of the Soviet union I can assure you that Norm is both right and half right,the former citizens of the eastern Bloc hate Russians with a vengence but still look back at their Zhugulis,volgas, Za za's etc etc with Fondness. In fact i saw restored early Volgas in Lithuania in the early 90's along with several restored GAZ jeeps when even the local Militia were still using rusted out examples as official cars.
Car fans are the same the world over but i think they even the aforementioned former soviet sattelite citizens could see the humour intended in the gatherings name. ...and yes a lot of them speak quite good english as a matter of fact,better than my ruski....
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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Sept 26, 2008 8:31:30 GMT
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Come on, this is a gathering a eastern european cars, not eastern european people.
Cars aren't easily offended!
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Seth
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Sept 26, 2008 8:57:32 GMT
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Its a gathering of cars not a political statement! This event is set up to attract cars of the sort that were in action before the Berlin Wall fell or eminate from that area of the world. Its just an easy way of labelling them for us simpletons.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Sept 26, 2008 10:01:02 GMT
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The last thing we want is to be inadvertantly racist. What about if we held an event for Geramn cars called 'Night of the Nazis' surely the cars wouldn't be offended by that. Perhaps a night of British cars called 'Evil Colonisers Meeting'.
I don't have a problem with the term Eastern Bloc - but I'd like to know if I should have. Anyone care to enlighten us further?
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Sept 26, 2008 10:17:37 GMT
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last time I checked, russia was NOT in europe!
can't really call it eastern european cars then tbh!
ANYWAY....... lets not split hairs on the matter.
I am sure it was not ment in a bad way. I guess they just had to put a name to the event. As i said, you can't call it eastern european!
Lewis
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Last Edit: Sept 26, 2008 10:20:17 GMT by lewist123
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Sept 26, 2008 10:22:19 GMT
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;)I've just explained the situation to my cars and not one of them shed a tear. |
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Sept 26, 2008 10:30:04 GMT
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I asked one of my polish customers what he thought....
No problem with "Eastern Bloc" he didn't see any negative connotations there. He did find it extremely funny that people in britain (who have plenty of choice when it comes to cars) choose to buy things made in communist era Poland. (he drives a mk3 golf TDI)
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Sept 26, 2008 10:48:35 GMT
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Thanks Scary...it's official. A Polish person wasn't offended...the organisers can keep their name! ;D
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Sept 26, 2008 13:09:56 GMT
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The last thing we want is to be inadvertantly racist. What about if we held an event for Geramn cars called 'Night of the Nazis' surely the cars wouldn't be offended by that. Perhaps a night of British cars called 'Evil Colonisers Meeting'. I don't have a problem with the term Eastern Bloc - but I'd like to know if I should have. Anyone care to enlighten us further? ...what if there was some sort of company or person that made reference to a Blitzkreig offensive in their name, should we do something about that too? Oooh... wait.  You could find offense in anything should you so choose. It's about cars from that area, I fail to see what you could find offensive about Eastern Bloc. Red Oktober, maybe.. if you so chose. Someone be sure to attend said meeting to take pictures of all the badass cars, as sadly I will not be able to attend. These are the cars we see very little of over these parts. I'd really love a Trabant of my very own. (I imagine they're considered "eastern bloc" too, of course.) |
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Sunny: 1982
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Sept 26, 2008 13:14:09 GMT
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A Pole would need to be older than 27 years old to remember the Soviet-prompted arrest of Lech Walesa and the outlawed Solidarity Movement. Like most young people of any country, they are largely unaware of what went before them. I am married to a Pole who is older than 27 years old. She remembers. But at any rate, back to cars: A 1930's T77 Tatra hasn't got fackall to do with the Eastern Bloc. It's a slur on its proud and independent Czech designers and workers to put it under such a rubric.  And Eastern Europe most certainly includes the western part of Russia, according to the United Nations, and other geographical organizations. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe |
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Sept 26, 2008 13:49:15 GMT
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Sept 26, 2008 14:03:15 GMT
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Hey Count, don't look to me as the court of public opinion or anything. I just have my view, which is what I'm expressing. Here's how I'd slice it: 1. If your site is limited to cars produced during the "Gulag Period" of Eastern European subjugation by the USSR and its militarily-impressed satellites, then I'd say that your site is aptly and correctly named. (Just as with a site that features Nazi-era occupation cars. Fine. Truth in labelling. And accurate.) 2. If your site features pre-Bloc and post-Bloc Eastern European vehicles in addition to occupation vehicles, then I'd say it is not only factually inaccurate, but implicitly (not intentionally) insulting to the achievements and aspirations of the former prisoners of the Soviet Empire. Fair? (After all, the "Bloc" period was 50 years. Poland has been around for 1000 years, for example. It deserves better than to be defined as "Eastern Bloc", especially as it was betrayed by the Allies at Yalta.) Skoda 2008 Octavia RS, a non-Bloc Czech:  |
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Last Edit: Sept 26, 2008 14:16:59 GMT by Team Blitz
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I haven't got any cars other than old Skodas!
