MrSpeedy
East Midlands
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Aug 19, 2008 14:22:38 GMT
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Every time the 'road tax debate' comes up, the same suggestions are banded about. 90% of people agree that it should be abolished and added instead to the ( already obscene ) tax on fuel. I live in the countryside and have to do a 50mile round trip each weekend to see my kids, but i still agree with this idea. However, what would happen to the drain of resources that is the DVLA and other associated government bodies if they were to lose their jobs due to a lack of bullsh1t legislation for them to (mis)manage for us  ?? let's face it, when it comes to anything to do with government run organisations it's all hopeless ! ** climbs down off soapbox ** |
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Aug 19, 2008 14:27:44 GMT
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DVLA will still be there if there were no tax discs. They would still be required to handle registration issues, V5C docs and the like.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Aug 19, 2008 14:32:46 GMT
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repeat after me... put the tax and third party insurance in the cost of petrol... put the.. oh never mind. far too sensible to even discuss
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Aug 19, 2008 14:59:22 GMT
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The only sensible/fair/correct way is to increase the tax on fuel. The more you drive, the more you pay. Great for people who live in rural areas who have to travel longer distances to work, to shop, etc. I'm afraid with emotive issues such as road tax, fuel costs, etc. that you can't please everyone. Factor into it (overall running costs) the reduced insurance premium for living in rural areas and the difference wouldn't be so much. Swings and roundabouts. As I say, you can't please all the people all the time. |
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Aug 19, 2008 15:04:13 GMT
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Humm £138 this year for me but a probable jump to £160 next year. Mind you that's still cheaper. Wouldn't want to be a Veyron owner! Nick A Veyron owner would more likely be able to afford £1001 a year road tax than say a guy running a street eliminator car with 2500bhp in a (in a lot of cases) currently tax exempt car  or some of the guys in 1000bhp Skylines and Supra's and the like.... I think there are very few situations where I wouldn't want to own a Veyron... |
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2008 15:05:54 GMT by rainking
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horney™
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Aug 19, 2008 15:18:07 GMT
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A good point about job losses due to less admin if road tax was abolished.
I read somewhere recently that there are more people employed by the government to run this country now than at the hieght of the British Empire when we rules most of the globe! This way they keep the unemployment figures down and keep money circulating.
My Ftaher in law used to wrk for the Inland Revenue and he said the wastage of money was insane. They'd hire full time staff on £20K + to do a part time job and people got told off for working to hard and clearing their work quickly! He retired at age 50 something on a final salary pension (and I suspect hi final salary was pretty hefty). He is therefore going to be paid the same amount for possibly the next 40 years which is more than the time he worked there! Now if I were him I'd be dead chuffed with that but I know that when it comes to my retirement I won't be as lucky. ust think of all the others like him our tax money is supporting for 40 years+. That's a lot of cash!
Nick
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Aug 19, 2008 16:52:02 GMT
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didn't the original road tax system strangle british engines for years?
there is also a tax on a tax on fuel .
i wouldn't want the tax based on bhp though ,it would go up to £220 for me.
the cost would maybe be a bit easier to take if it was going to where its meant to as in Road Fund Licence.
grrr governments
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Aug 19, 2008 18:01:57 GMT
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Here in France, there is no road tax, but every time you buy a car, when you go to register it on your name (done at a local office, not via post) you have to pay a tax depending on the cars power. The old citroen 2cv..the CV is short for Cheveau, or Horse. It has a fiscal rating of 2hp, so thats its tax band, which is 46€. My V6 vectra is 12 fiscal horsepower, so I pay 138€ when I register it in my name. The highest on the scale is 50cv, which costs over a thousand euros.
Cars after 2004 have to pay an "ecology tax" of between 200€ and 2600€ depending on CO2 output.
Once this is paid, there is nothing more to pay (apart from insurance and MOT) until the car next changes owners, where the buyer has to pay this tax when they register it.
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Aug 19, 2008 18:15:54 GMT
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A good point about job losses due to less admin if road tax was abolished. I read somewhere recently that there are more people employed by the government to run this country now than at the hieght of the British Empire when we rules most of the globe! This way they keep the unemployment figures down and keep money circulating. My Ftaher in law used to wrk for the Inland Revenue and he said the wastage of money was insane. They'd hire full time staff on £20K + to do a part time job and people got told off for working to hard and clearing their work quickly! He retired at age 50 something on a final salary pension (and I suspect hi final salary was pretty hefty). He is therefore going to be paid the same amount for possibly the next 40 years which is more than the time he worked there! Now if I were him I'd be dead chuffed with that but I know that when it comes to my retirement I won't be as lucky. ust think of all the others like him our tax money is supporting for 40 years+. That's a lot of cash! Nick I can't speak for DVLA but things are changing at HMRC (of which the Revenue are now part) rather rapidly. New entrants who came in after about 2001 don't get a final salary pension scheme, they have to pay like everyone else. For those of us who've been around for a while, we keep the final salary scheme because that's what we signed up for. We are also losing jobs and offices with people being forced to new locations and such. Working for the Government is often seen as cushy but it isn't necessarily. The truth is often that demands on staff are ever increasing without any proper recompense and the job security of old is long gone. I've certainly never seen anyone be told not to work as hard in the 20 years I've been around the civil service. As for VED going on fuel, I agree but I very much doubt that the public at large would. |
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Aug 20, 2008 11:56:18 GMT
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A good point about job losses due to less admin if road tax was abolished. I read somewhere recently that there are more people employed by the government to run this country now than at the hieght of the British Empire when we rules most of the globe! This way they keep the unemployment figures down and keep money circulating. My Ftaher in law used to wrk for the Inland Revenue and he said the wastage of money was insane. They'd hire full time staff on £20K + to do a part time job and people got told off for working to hard and clearing their work quickly! He retired at age 50 something on a final salary pension (and I suspect hi final salary was pretty hefty). He is therefore going to be paid the same amount for possibly the next 40 years which is more than the time he worked there! Now if I were him I'd be dead chuffed with that but I know that when it comes to my retirement I won't be as lucky. ust think of all the others like him our tax money is supporting for 40 years+. That's a lot of cash! Nick I can't speak for DVLA but things are changing at HMRC (of which the Revenue are now part) rather rapidly. New entrants who came in after about 2001 don't get a final salary pension scheme, they have to pay like everyone else. For those of us who've been around for a while, we keep the final salary scheme because that's what we signed up for. We are also losing jobs and offices with people being forced to new locations and such. Working for the Government is often seen as cushy but it isn't necessarily. The truth is often that demands on staff are ever increasing without any proper recompense and the job security of old is long gone. I've certainly never seen anyone be told not to work as hard in the 20 years I've been around the civil service. As for VED going on fuel, I agree but I very much doubt that the public at large would. People out in the "real world" have been working without job security with ever increasing demands on staff since time began, so it's hard to feel sorry for Government employees really...  I'm a Surveyor and back when I graduated, one of my classmates got a job with Lothian Regional Council - and this was considered to be a an extremely cushy number - not to mention a "job for life". As she was a very active member of the RICS she was shocked to learn that after a year or so working for the Government she would be considered "unemployable" by the RICS if she stayed longer than a couple of years  I have quite a few acquaintances that are employed by local councils etc and to say they have it easy is an understatement. I'm sure there are exceptions but I haven't come across any of those so far |
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Aug 20, 2008 12:00:55 GMT
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Every time the 'road tax debate' comes up, the same suggestions are banded about. 90% of people agree that it should be abolished and added instead to the ( already obscene ) tax on fuel. I live in the countryside and have to do a 50mile round trip each weekend to see my kids, but I still agree with this idea. However, what would happen to the drain of resources that is the DVLA and other associated government bodies if they were to lose their jobs due to a lack of bullsh1t legislation for them to (mis)manage for us ?? let's face it, when it comes to anything to do with government run organisations it's all hopeless ! ** climbs down off soapbox ** Hear! hear! for the voice of reality ;D Lets face it in the UK we'll run off and fight wars for "Johnny Foreigner" (actually the fat cat capitalists) at the drop of a hat - but we might as well accept that the UK population bends over and spreads their own cheeks when it comes to fighting for themselves at the end of the day  |
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