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Aug 19, 2008 12:54:18 GMT
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When we were at the Heritage Motor Centre there was information on something that came about in 1923 that was a road tax where you pay £1 for every 1HP the car produces, cant we have the same thing these days as that would help get the gas guzzlers off the road, but would help out the more economical and greener cars like mine (54bhp)  |
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Aug 19, 2008 12:57:15 GMT
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thats a fantastic idea.
£63 a year yes please
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horney™
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Aug 19, 2008 12:58:22 GMT
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Humm £138 this year for me but a probable jump to £160 next year. Mind you that's still cheaper. Wouldn't want to be a Veyron owner!
Nick
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Aug 19, 2008 12:59:15 GMT
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Well, the compulsory rolling-road sessions to ensure everyone was telling the truth would certainly be entertaining.
Might have to unbolt the turbo when the assessors come round though...
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Aug 19, 2008 13:01:10 GMT
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Wouldn't want to be a Veyron owner! Thats exactly the point, if you can afford a 1000hp car, the should be able to afford £1000 road tax |
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Aug 19, 2008 13:03:54 GMT
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Not sure about that, specially as our big power makers don't go that far, although My biggest power maker would be about the same price on tax £200 and my van taxed for £55 a year. nice. Plus BHP doesn't = emmissions/road destruction/size or anything so not convinced.
Interesting tho
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berendd
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Aug 19, 2008 13:04:28 GMT
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belgium has a similar system, therefore 90% percent of the cars in belgium is a diesel...
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Aug 19, 2008 13:04:45 GMT
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thats the excuse they use now. If you can afford a Band G "gas guzzler" - such as a Mondeo V6 - then you can afford £600 a year (from 2010) to tax it
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Aug 19, 2008 13:06:38 GMT
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Not sure how that would work for modified engines - would you have to take a dyno chart down to the post office with you? lol
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Aug 19, 2008 13:10:53 GMT
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they'd probably just ban them.
The thing is that road tax discs cost the DVLA a fortune. Back in 1997 they admitted to me that a 6 months PLG disc (about £60 then) cost the DVLA as much in admin as the user paid for it. So assume a reasonable level of inflation and each disc must cost the DVLA about £75 to produce, ignoring the costs of any new systems they have had to implement to deal with the many multiple tax bands. With many new cars paying only £35 a year for the tax disc its obvious they ain't making money on them...
The other thing being that back in the 1920s £1 was a couple of days wages to the average worker. So its kind of like saying £100 per BHP today,
Also also the HP they used was a "RAC Calculated" HP not BHP. The Austin 7 was a "7 HP" car for tax and it was about 22 BHP.
The whole road tax system is to cock. Its pointless and expensive to run. They should just tax you on the miles you drive or something, that would be much more fair.....
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2008 13:11:41 GMT by akku
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Aug 19, 2008 13:15:44 GMT
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we should just follow the french and ditch road tax... they say its too much of a pain in the  to collect so they just don't lol |
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Aug 19, 2008 13:21:07 GMT
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the arguement about the disc is so that a copper can tell if your car is taxed, MOT'd and insured (or at least was the day they issued the disc). Now with insurance, MOT and tax all on databases and ANPR there is no reason to have a disc at all which would save money and paper and postage and a few trees.
Road tax is being used as a lever to encourage people to buy lower emissions cars which is current political agenda.
A better option would be to put a huge tax on new cars, graduated by the emissions level. This will discourage the manufacture of new gas guzzlers which is more ecological than just whacking a tax on existing high emissions cars and encouraging them to be scrapped early which is what they are actually doing
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Aug 19, 2008 13:27:18 GMT
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we should just follow the french and ditch road tax... they say its too much of a pain in the  to collect so they just don't lol ...although they do have a huge amount of toll roads. They're lovely and smooth though. (The roads, not the French. The French are rather bristly.) |
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Aug 19, 2008 13:48:20 GMT
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The whole road tax system is to cock. Its pointless and expensive to run. They should just tax you on the miles you drive or something, that would be much more fair..... IMO the only fair way to do it is to put stop road tax alltogether and put the tax on the fuel, that way the more fuel you use the more you pay. |
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Aug 19, 2008 13:54:47 GMT
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When we were at the Heritage Motor Centre there was information on something that came about in 1923 that was a road tax where you pay £1 for every 1HP the car produces, cant we have the same thing these days as that would help get the gas guzzlers off the road, but would help out the more economical and greener cars like mine (54bhp) Yes. And let's bring back the outside toliet too. The good old days 'eh. The only sensible/fair/correct way is to increase the tax on fuel. The more you drive, the more you pay. |
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Aug 19, 2008 13:58:22 GMT
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Yes. And let's bring back the outside toliet too. The good old days 'eh. thanks for the sarky comment  |
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Aug 19, 2008 14:04:32 GMT
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erm £725 no thanks (is tax exempt tho!) but £160 is better then i pay for my other car at the moment
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never argue with an idiot... they'll drag you down to their level then beat you through experience.
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Aug 19, 2008 14:09:34 GMT
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The only sensible/fair/correct way is to increase the tax on fuel. The more you drive, the more you pay. Great for people who live in rural areas who have to travel longer distances to work, to shop, etc. |
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Aug 19, 2008 14:13:21 GMT
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it makes sense in that it costs a lot less to administer and thus the revenue take will be higher for a lower cost to the tax payer (ie you aren't paying tax for the costs of tax collection)
Again another arguement is that if you live in the country and transport is costing money then it will encourage local business to flourish. I live in a village and we shop locally where ever possible really. But then theres a big Asda and a Morrisons not too far away if we do want to go "townie shopping"
Arrr.
Also also the big deal about tax is that you can;t come up with a solution which makes everybody happy.
Oh, and BTW, you may not have noticed it but there is already a tax on petrol...
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Aug 19, 2008 14:18:15 GMT
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Here speaks a man with two Tax Free cars,!!--------------I'm for taxing the fuel, its the most sensible and fair way to police the "Gas Guzzelers", it covers everybody who drives on the road, Tax Disc?? no worries, that gets issued when you get an MoT, so it becomes a MoT cert, No Insurance, No MoT, Cars that don't need a MoT, can claim a disc on line, same as you can Tax a car on line, they have the ability to check your insurance from a data base
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2008 14:25:14 GMT by v8ian
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