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Jun 11, 2005 18:29:13 GMT
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Its worth noting that some of the most inteligent, well off and most together people I know drive around in the crappiest old cars ever seen. Thats cos these people have nothing to prove. If someones prepared to go out and spend 30 - 40 grand every 2 or 3 years on a new car, that person is compensating for something that they feel is missing in their life.
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Jun 11, 2005 19:16:19 GMT
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Its worth noting that some of the most inteligent, well off and most together people I know drive around in the crappiest old cars ever seen. Thats cos these people have nothing to prove. If someones prepared to go out and spend 30 - 40 grand every 2 or 3 years on a new car, that person is compensating for something that they feel is missing in their life. Well said. Who cares what everyone else thinks. Just drive what you want to drive.
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Jun 11, 2005 19:39:31 GMT
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Or maybe they just like having a solid car, aswell as their retro car:D
Just a suggestion!
Adam
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1997 TVR Chimaera 2009 Westfield Megabusa
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Jun 11, 2005 19:56:57 GMT
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When I came out of the garage having taken the Sceptre for the MOT I got some petrol, while I was filling up a chap driving by the garage with his missus and kids pulled in and complemented me on the car, he was telling me he had an old BMC ambulance round at his mum's house, but the neighbors had complained and he'd ended up with an ASBO.....
I suppose I'm lucky that my next door neighbor has the Camaro...
In general it's usualy just down to snobbery, which is strange when you think that in these days of easy credit pretty much anyone can buy a new car....
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Jun 11, 2005 20:22:18 GMT
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In general it's usualy just down to snobbery, which is strange when you think that in these days of easy credit pretty much anyone can buy a new car.... How true this is. My other half's sister and her cock-knocker husband have a household income of less than £15,000. They couldn't afford to get a £15 service part and a set of tyres on their Mk4 Escort. So they marched down to "Yes! Car Credit" and came away with a shiney 3-year old Mondeo. WTF! They love to now mock our "old" transport. Who'll be laughing when that Mondeo breaks down through an absence of servicing? And I personally wouldn't find it very funny to be forking out £248 per month for a eurobox if I was only pulling in less than 300 quid a week. Lunacy!! I'll stick with me bimmer thanks!!
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2005 20:25:11 GMT by nickb
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Jarvis
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Jun 11, 2005 20:52:30 GMT
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[quote author=impjimbo board=general thread=1118436019 post=1118517379Its worth noting that some of the most inteligent, well off and most together people I know drive around in the crappiest old cars ever seen. Thats cos these people have nothing to prove. If someones prepared to go out and spend 30 - 40 grand every 2 or 3 years on a new car, that person is compensating for something that they feel is missing in their life. [/quote]
Well said. Who cares what everyone else thinks. Just drive what you want to drive.[/quote]
That goes for people who drive new cars as well!!!
I have driven old cars - I have driven new cars My main car for the last 2 1/2 years was an opel manta coupe - I love it - don't get me wrong - but every year i dread the MOT - what will need welding this year??? - How much is this going to cost??? How long will i be off the road??? I use this car to travel to work and back - thats 250 miles per week and its never let me down ( well once but that was nowt) But it is always there in the back of your mind - Will it start??? Will it stop??? Will it overheat???
So if i decide to go along the newer car route for piece of mind, comfort, ease of spare parts, economy and for it not to have been f**ked about with by the last 15 owners over the last 20 years - LEAVE ME ALONE
I am not a sell out I still love the retro car scene Unfortunately i cant afford 2 cars Maybe one day i will be able to have the best of both worlds!!
This said - i only upgraded to a E30 320 bmw But the grief i got of my local clan set me off on this rant SORRY!!!
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Jun 11, 2005 20:57:50 GMT
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I havent got a problem with new cars. If it wasent for new ones we would never get retro cars. ;D
Sometimes its nice to get into the comfort of a modern but then its even better to get back into the old car and have some fun.
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impmann
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Jun 11, 2005 21:02:59 GMT
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Socially acceptable? I'd rather get a tattoo saying "b0ll0cks" on my forehead than be socially acceptable.
Because Socially Acceptable means you have become a drone. You look the same, act the same and think the same as the dullard next door.
The day I become like that, I hope my best mate has the balls I think he has to put a bullet through the middle of my skull.
Old cars are 1) cheaper 2) BETTER for the environment (a car produces more pollution during the manufacturing process than a lifetime of transportation - FACT) 3) cooler and 4) more interesting than ANYTHING a modern manufacturer can dish out.
Anyone that criticises another's way of life without first trying to understand it is frankly a moron.
Live and let live - and leave us car nuts alone. We're marginalised enough already!
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Just cos something is good for you doesn't mean its good for everyone - for example Marmite does not make good Dog Food.
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Jun 11, 2005 21:03:21 GMT
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You're right there. Coming Up for Air by George Orwell has a lot of stuff about this sort of thing (although obviously it was in a more general political way than the car related way we're talking about it, for a start I don't think they had 'Yes! Car Credit' and bloodsucking, parasitic firms like that back then!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D), this whole idea that the poor b*stards who're caught up in looking respectable and "keeping up with the Joneses" and looking down on the 'proles' they considered to be a class below themselves actually ended up poorer than the people they looked down on, because where the working classes of 65 years ago, or us retro car owners of nowadays for that matter, can spend our money on something that we can afford and then get on with keeping our money for other stuff, the respectable car credit victim who's supposedly our superior has to spend almost all they have on keeping up with the Joneses, and paying all the debts they have, and it was the same for Orwell's day's victims of respectability, they ended up with no money for what they needed because they spent it all on looking like they were well off. It's the same way for the modern car credit victim, they're bloody skint because they want to look richer than people like us. Amazing the stuff that Orwell predicted, he predicted the Cold War with Animal Farm, he predicted George W Bush and his never-ending war on terror, and also Tony Blair and modern British motoring laws in Ninteen Eighty Four (well, he did if you interpret it that way! Cameras watching us all the time? No privacy ever? Being unfairly punished just for your lifestyle choices and points of view? Why does that sound familiar?! ) and now he seems to have predicted "Yes! Car Credit" and all the other vultures!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Jarvis
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Jun 11, 2005 21:12:12 GMT
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Anyone that criticises another's way of life without first trying to understand it is frankly a moron. I agree, but i feel that it is also a two way street!!! Stop calling people who drive new cars Cars arnt the be all and end all to every one To some it is just a means of transport!!!!!! If i drive a new car it is not because i am a sheep- it is because i want reliablity, economy, no rust bubbles and everything else that it brings!!!! For that i am truly sorry
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filmidget
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Jun 11, 2005 21:43:48 GMT
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I get the same all the time.
**** 'em, the superficial gullible ****s.
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'79 MG Midget 1500 - Still patiently awaiting attention '02 Vauxhall Astra 1.8 Elegance(!) - Better than you might think '03 Mazda MX5 - All new and shiny looking (thanks to Antony at Rust Republic) '09 Renault Clio - Needs to go.
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Jun 11, 2005 22:13:49 GMT
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I'm not against new cars either, I just think old cars are better. I'm the type of person that wouldnt have a new car under any circumstances and I apprieciate that their are people out there who are the opposite of me too. What I was trying to say is that their are people out there who consider their car to be a form of social elevation, another step on the ladder. Like nickb says they cant afford this lifestyle but they keep up the pretence because they think it makes them better people. These are the same type of people who criticise us for having old cars. They feel that because they can go out and buy their identity from a glossy magazine, then so should everyone else. And it causes them confusion when they see someone who doesnt follow the rules of society, who dosent want the nice house with the new beetle and the bose hifi and the plasma screen tv to make them feel good about themselves. Thats what I meant when I said about overcompensating for something missing in their lives. I'm sorry mantamad if you got the wrong end of the stick, but i wasnt having a pop at people who drive new cars.
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Jun 11, 2005 22:19:15 GMT
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I'm not against new cars either, I just think old cars are better. I'm the type of person that wouldnt have a new car under any circumstances and I apprieciate that their are people out there who are the opposite of me too. What I was trying to say is that their are people out there who consider their car to be a form of social elevation, another step on the ladder. Like nickb says they cant afford this lifestyle but they keep up the pretence because they think it makes them better people. These are the same type of people who criticise us for having old cars. They feel that because they can go out and buy their identity from a glossy magazine, then so should everyone else. And it causes them confusion when they see someone who doesnt follow the rules of society, who dosent want the nice house with the new beetle and the bose hifi and the plasma screen tv to make them feel good about themselves. Thats what I meant when I said about overcompensating for something missing in their lives. I'm sorry mantamad if you got the wrong end of the stick, but i wasnt having a pop at people who drive new cars. You see that's more or less what I was getting at, except that this evening I may or may not have been drinking slightly, ( ) so my last post was irrelevant and didn't make any sense at all! ;D ;D Then again neither does anything else that I write! ;D ;D ;D
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Jun 11, 2005 23:11:11 GMT
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iv got nothing against any car owners except for bloody giant 4x4 owners. i think gta3 (computer game for those who havent heard of it) summed it up best in one of their adverts on the radio stations. "I'm a single person with no family and no kids and i only drive to and from work. so of course i need a giant vehicle capable of handling the toughest terrain". iv got nothing against people that need 4x4s (farmers etc) but people that want to feel superior by looking down on people just do my head in. if you need the extra space for a family get an estate, not something thats going to kill anyone it hits.
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Davenger
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I don't have a problem with new cars, my mums Focus is a lovely car to drive, handles great, but I still love old cars. My mums other half doesn't get it though, he thinks I should scrap my mini and get a new car, he doesn't seem to apreciate the fact that GT's are getting rare and that it's a seriously cool car. Some people are just plain wierd
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Rev9 - a Scotsman...Drinking?!?!?! NEVER!!!! Personally, If I had the income, I'd have something modern for a daily and something retro for weekends. Without the income, I'll grab something retro *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Jun 12, 2005 17:54:53 GMT
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Hey theres nothing wrong with us 4x4 owners. I wouldent own one if i lived in the middle of London but if I want to drive round in a 4x4 thats my choice. Sorry but the anti 4x4 thing is getting abit boring and its time all us car nuts stuck together and not slagged each other off.
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2005 17:55:28 GMT by ImpJimbo
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Jun 12, 2005 20:01:59 GMT
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Myself I prefer different cars for different occasions. If I am towing a trailer I prefer a 4x4 very rare I actually need the four wheel drive but its easier and faster than towing with a car. I use my Pajero as my daily driver as well, but there are no seats in the back and it just gets used for carrying stuff around.
If I have to do a lot of miles in a day (500+) which i normally do a couple of times a month then I prefer a modern car as they are a damn site more comfortable if you have to do a journey there a full days work and then the same journey back.
If however I want to go for a drive and actually enjoy it, not necessarily going fast but just enjoying the experience, then its gotta be Retro.
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2005 20:02:49 GMT by PhoenixC
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Jun 12, 2005 21:07:48 GMT
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Using a 4x4 for towing is so much easier. I have towed with my 2.0 Cavalier and also with my Range Rover. Guess which one towed the best? ;D
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Jun 12, 2005 21:08:51 GMT
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like i said iv nothing against drving a 4x4 if theres a good enough reason (ie towing or regularly driving on rough roads) but people that buy them to feel superior do my head in. plus they may be safe for the person driving but for people they crash into it not so safe.
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