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Jul 23, 2008 22:43:28 GMT
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ok so when the moggie is finished itll have capri back axle, uprated suspension, anti roll bar, vented discs and a piazza turbo engine and box
what are the legalities of this and who needs to know for it all to be above board
do i need an sva?
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Aaron
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Jul 23, 2008 22:51:49 GMT
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As far as I know, as long as the log book has the correct chassis number and engine number and your insurer knows all the details, you're fine.
My Toyota has parts from many cars and I did the above and had no problems.
Aaron.
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1975 Toyota 1000 with 4A-GE (tweaked a bit)
1992 Nissan GTi-R (now sold after 17 years)
2001 Subaru Impreza WRX (remapped)
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Jul 23, 2008 23:04:57 GMT
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cool cheers
any good insurers for a 20 yr old with a years no claims and clean licence
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Jul 23, 2008 23:30:59 GMT
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ok so when the moggie is finished itll have capri back axle, uprated suspension, anti roll bar, vented discs and a piazza turbo engine and box do I need an sva? my astra has new engine, uprated suspension, vented discs and other bits and bobs, you don't need an sva but you do need to inform dvla of the engine, and your insurers of course. Kirsty
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I have determined that my sole purpose in life is to serve as a bad example...
CURRENT vehicles - '84 Saab 900 turbo classic, '93 Nissan 200SX S13, 2021 Volvo V90 Inscription.
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Aaron
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Some of the mainland members can probably recommend insurers. My brother and I could only ever get Adrian Flux to quote for modded cars in N.Ireland.
Aaron.
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1975 Toyota 1000 with 4A-GE (tweaked a bit)
1992 Nissan GTi-R (now sold after 17 years)
2001 Subaru Impreza WRX (remapped)
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starionturbo
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Is planning mental turbo action MU HUH HUH!!!
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I've always found HIC to give me the best quotes. In 10 years of driving they've always been cheapest for me.
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adrian flux are fantastic
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I have determined that my sole purpose in life is to serve as a bad example...
CURRENT vehicles - '84 Saab 900 turbo classic, '93 Nissan 200SX S13, 2021 Volvo V90 Inscription.
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technically you will need an SVA. I'd keep quiet about it.
If you have changed out too many parts fromoriginal the DVLA and VOSA want to inspect the car, charge you for the privalidge etc.
Theres a lot of fear going about on this one, but little actual action. I do know of two people who have been caught, one was running a pre war Ford rat rod which the DVLA decided hadn't got enough 1937 car left in it so demanded an SVA. In this case the car was broken up for parts. In another a guy local to me took his Zodiac down for an MOT and the tester called VOSA to dob him in! B*****d! Because the car has a V8, autobox, Mustang axle, uprated front struts and discs it needs a VIC/Q plate and SVA. I didn't hear anything of the guy after that. Perhaps he's doing time for murdering an MOT tester....
The reality is that zillions of cars out there are running about with insufficiant "points" to retain their original ID and therefor need VIC and SVA, but have never been caught. DVLA only seem bothered about catching new builders so "its been like that for 10 years at least mate". I know a lot of people are not updating their V5C for fear of a visit....
I know one guy who got a visit from DVLA (they came to his house because his car was too low to get in the DVLA place!!) and they were sound with him, he explained everything, explained a lot of it was done before the 1997 rule change on SVA and he got all his ammended paperwork, no bother. Even though he had done a whole load of subsequent mods to the car.
Its a funny business and its best just to keep a low profile really.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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^^^ What A to the motherfunking K said.
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Mr K
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Jul 24, 2008 10:18:30 GMT
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whats it like insuring a car with an engine transplant? I'm really tempted to zetec the ss1, but its really the insurance that scares me being only 20 n all that, and my no-claims is used on my daily.
I'm interested to see how you get on with your moggy price wise. keep us posted!
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Jul 24, 2008 10:42:51 GMT
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i had a look at the points system and i totted it up and i don't need to Q plate it so i think that should be ok. I'm insuring it at christmas mainly because theats my bday so ill have another year under my belt, and i hope to get dollar as presants
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Jul 24, 2008 11:03:03 GMT
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If you're using torsion bars at the front and leaves at the back, along with the Minor R&P, you should be OK as long as the shell isn't 'modified'.
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1953 Minor (Long term project) PT Cruiser
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Jul 24, 2008 11:30:02 GMT
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definition of modified is really whack. For example theres one model of Mondeo (the ST I think) where you can't "legitmately" fit a tow bar to it, because the ST was never type approved with a tow bar and fitting a tow bar consitutes a modifed chassis! This i got from someone close to authority as well. What horse plop.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 24, 2008 13:26:34 GMT
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Perhaps the 'powers that be' should be alerted to this. If it means that every Mondeo with a towbar needs an SVA test, then they'll end up too busy to bother us..............
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1953 Minor (Long term project) PT Cruiser
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Jul 24, 2008 13:35:03 GMT
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Just put the engine change on the log book, and notify the insurers of all mods, i think you'll find adrian flux are about the only people who'll quote young drivers on seriously modded cars these days.
Its not worth hiding the mods "just in case" VOSA get on your case, you'll be in MUCH more trouble if you have an accident and they find your not covered for all the mods.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Jul 24, 2008 13:44:50 GMT
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yeah ill text the flux meister,
chassis has has 2 new crossmembers but the shell is standard, the leaves on the rear are standard but have a capri axle hanging off them and use original dampers
the front use torsion bars but with anti rol bar, gas dampers and disc brake kit.
the engine and box are new and the front is tweaked to hold rad intercooler and oil cooler
il make sure the numbers tie up and itll be reeet
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Jul 24, 2008 13:47:10 GMT
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Perhaps the 'powers that be' should be alerted to this. If it means that every Mondeo with a towbar needs an SVA test, then they'll end up too busy to bother us.............. Not every Mondeo, just the Mk2 Mondeo ST. If they wanted to hassle us, all they have to do is buy a copy of Custom Car, Retro Cars, Retro Ford, even Practical Classics ands see how often people admit to using a used body to reshell a monocoque car, or find plenty of cars without enough "points". Or for that matter to turn up at Santa Pod or NSRA nats or something... I did hear (second hand) that early last year VOSA/ NSRA turned up at a Landrover meeting and started checking how many tax exempt Landies were in fact later model ones with the V5C and tags off an ealy one installed... Q-plates all round, plus fines. As far as I know the DVLA/VOSA do not data share with insurers. In fact I don;t think the DVLA effectively share data with VOSA... so you can declare all your mods (which you always should do) regardless of whether you write to the DVLA to ask for referal for a SVA or a VIC. Failure to notify a change is an offense though. Just tell them changes of colour, engine number, engine capacity. Thats all they record on the log book. If you change the wheel plan or the number of seats you can expect to raise their interest. I suspect they have that many ammendments going though every day that changing a Morris Minor from 1098cc to 5700cc probably won't make them think "I bet he had to swap out the back axle, brakes, and modify the chassis to fit that". Some Bronwyn who doesn't know one end of a spanner from the other is doing data entry and doesn't care.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 24, 2008 13:54:31 GMT
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tin - on a monocoque body car like a Minor the DVLA does not regard the car to have a chassis. As such it sounds like you technically need an SVA. I spoke to VOSA about a theoretical project I had in mind (and as part of a "settle the arguement" enquiry) and they said that ANY change involving a modification to the chassis would require SVA. And they brought that up without me asking.
basically, my Q: can I legally run a car with two engines on the road? their A: yes, but you will have to have appropriate insurance and the car will require SVA as you have modified the chassis to fit the second engine.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 24, 2008 13:57:39 GMT
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An SVA is not the end of the world though - it's a series of rules and regulations so 'all' you have to do is get a copy of the requirements and comply Resistance is futile!
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Jul 24, 2008 14:00:17 GMT
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You'll have to provide documentary evidence of any change in capactiy (and yes I know the car's tax exempt). If you've got the V5 for the Isuzu, then a photocopy of this should suffice. Go to www.the-ace.org.uk for more info
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1953 Minor (Long term project) PT Cruiser
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