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May 24, 2005 15:28:11 GMT
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Ok, I know this topic comes up once every 4 months, but it does make interesting reading, particularly the obscure stuff. www.ovalbangerchat.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1353&start=0&I am not adverse to Banger racers or their choice in cars - many of the cars on the list where either beyong saving or no one else bothered buying them. But those big toyotas/Datsuns and MK1 grannies numbers gave me the willys.....
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G51NAV
Part of things
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May 24, 2005 17:39:13 GMT
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One of my pet hates Too many very rare cars get destroyed banger racing, yet enthusiasts don't seem to be able to get their mits on them to save them beforehand. I see the list includes three MG Magnettes: they're rare enough these days to deserve being saved WHATEVER condition they're in! They've been around for upto 50 years and have to end their days on a banger-race track. They've been someone's pride and joy for a good part of that 50 years, and well-looked after: that's why their still around. It's appalling that they just get smashed up for enjoyment
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Last Edit: May 24, 2005 17:42:52 GMT by G51NAV
’84 Austin Maestro HLE · ’87 MG Maestro EFi · ’89 MG Maestro Tickford Turbo #502 of 505
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May 24, 2005 17:41:43 GMT
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Quite scary seeing how many have gone really.
Then again - I've seen some of them up close and they really cannot be saved in the most cases. Their paintjobs conceal a lot of..nothing sometimes.
Still, great shame though.
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May 24, 2005 18:03:12 GMT
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as always though.... either the cars have been looked over by 'enthusiasts' and still bangered (as Lewis says, a fresh lick of paint works wonders) or simply ignored by the buffs till the price is right for the banger boys. people just don't want them, it's sad but what can you do? i'll certainly never sit here saying it's a crime as i haven't the cash or time to do anything about it.
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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May 24, 2005 18:08:16 GMT
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I know we've gone over this a few times,.. usually I don't mind what they do with their cars (after all they own the car),.. however from this thread about "racing" Beetles : www.ovalbangerchat.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2500Came this little nugget of evilness : "I raced one at a Havoc mag meeting at standlake 2 years ago. Finished the first heat but as they are air cooled it got hot and slower so finished it off in the 2nd heat in the boot of a chuvit. Enjoyed racing it and looking for another for this years but prefer mine free. The one I raced told the bloke I was gonna restore it and he wanted first refusal to buy it back"
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May 24, 2005 19:07:45 GMT
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I once rang about a 'free' landcrab in our local paper.... the guy explained that he wanted £200 for the 'free' car, which he would refund when the restored car was shown to him..... With muppets like that around, is it any suprise that cars get bangered?
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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May 24, 2005 20:47:14 GMT
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It is a shame when a rare car gets wrecked on the track, but as has been said, how many of those cars were absolutely shagged by the time they made it onto the oval? On top of that, as tragic as it is, sometimes cars get bangered because few enthusiasts wanted them, and maybe the few who would want them can't take them. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a rough car I've wanted to save but can't afford the time, space and money to take it home, and I bet some of the cars I've had to leave over the years have went on to be scrapped or bangered unfortunately.
Besdies that, of the cars that can't be saved, surely it's better that the cars go out in one last blaze of glory than that they sit in a field getting peoples' backs up, being called an eyesore, and taking up space?
Unfortunately yes, there are a minority of banger types who abuse nice old cars, buying tidy classics still with useable stuff on them purely for the thrill of destroying an old car, but they are surely a minority, I'm not going to condemn an entire scene because there are a few w*nkers who needlessly destroy saveable classics, because they're not all like that,
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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May 24, 2005 21:37:29 GMT
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Everytime this come subject come up I say.
Buy it before the Banger boys do.
Or better bangered then rotting on a drive.
Its a real shame that they use some of our favorite cars but the car belongs to them so its their choice.
So i have just said it again ;D
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BS Nymph Singer Chamois Coupe Series 3 Landy
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May 24, 2005 22:15:01 GMT
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Looking through the forums of ovalchat (link in thread above) it's quite clear they won't pay much for their 'race' cars...and the majority of them are genuine enthusiasts. They're a bit like us, except we want to slam them over steels and they want to send them down in a blaze of glory. Assuming they're not stealing them it's an even playing field, the restorers can buy them, the banger boys can buy them or we can buy them. Put your money where your mouth is retro-ers.
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May 24, 2005 22:21:33 GMT
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Funny how emotionally attached we get to things we will never or have never owned.
It's a pity we don't feel the same about the human race or the planet we all depend on to support us. Present company excepted.
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Peugeot 307sw - Suzuki SV650S - MX5.
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May 24, 2005 22:23:08 GMT
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BLIMEY thats a bit deep!
But it is very true,
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BS Nymph Singer Chamois Coupe Series 3 Landy
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May 24, 2005 22:26:29 GMT
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That is very true actually. Although I do a bit of thinking about the human race etc myself, what with being a red and all! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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personally id love to have a go - its the only possible reason i can see to buy a paxo / 106 anyway as id love to smash one of those to bits! also i always understood that some cars were re used repaired slightly and re raced until they were twisted beyond driving? failing that I'm sure lots of rare and usefull parts are recycled either by the banger boys or when the cars are eventually scrapped so is it really that bad if one car dies so another can live (even if it is to race!) think it is one of those unavoidable evils, that we are going to have to live with.
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2006 Audi A3 2003 Fusion 2 looking for a project....
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BigWig
Posted a lot
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It is a shame. I went to Arena Essex for the 'Fire Cracker' in 2003, some of the motors that got mullered was unbelievable, there was a really straight Austin Sheerline Ambulance and a Jag Mk2 + hundreds of others of course.
I showed Rmad and AmazonSprite the photo's!
Silvermachine, fair enough about the Paxo, but 106's are top motors, excluding the poverty spec base models...
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If there was a rule that let 'em banger only rotboxes or 'common' smokers, ie Sierras, Bluebirds, etc, then fine. I personally know of a few banger boys who fund their racing by finding c****ics, promising to restore them, stripping them of everything, flogging it on the 'bay, bunging in a pinto if it is RWD and then bangering 'em 'till they are dead. I often thought about putting a brick through his windscreen whilst his car was in the carpark at work, but resisted as this fella was not malicious, just a dumb fugger
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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May 25, 2005 10:33:01 GMT
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106's are top motors, excluding the poverty spec base models...
Seconded! To be honest its the little t*ats that ruin them with all manner of bizzarre body kits and tacky add ones that tarnish the image of these little racers.
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Last Edit: May 25, 2005 10:33:16 GMT by reallyloud
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May 25, 2005 11:54:47 GMT
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Funny how emotionally attached we get to things we will never or have never owned. It's a pity we don't feel the same about the human race or the planet we all depend on to support us. Present company excepted. How very true - at the end of the day our old cars were and are just commercial products, just pressed up peices of rusty tin with an engine and wheels - which we end up getting attached to In the great big historical scheme of things - the benefit to the human race of saving a tidyish Austin or Jag from being bangered (although a shame) Is pretty insignificant
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can of wormsBenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
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May 25, 2005 17:00:01 GMT
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In the great big historical scheme of things - the benefit to the human race of saving a tidyish Austin or Jag from being bangered (although a shame) Is pretty insignificant I don't argue that this is true, but then that comment could be posted on any one of the threads on Retro-Rides . "It might be a fantastic-looking Ford Taunus but hey, the planet's dying, people are killing one another and society is going to pot so it doesn't really matter how nice that Taunus is...." As I said I don't disagree that there are far more important things in the world than cars, but I for one indulge in retro motors to get away from the pressures of life, including being constantly reminded how evil I am for smoking / drinking / burning fossil fuels / scratching my .... I ain't having a dig at anyone, it just hacks me off sometimes. Oh yeah, the banger thing.... used to get p!ssed off about it, then changed my mind. Their cars, they can do what they want with 'em. The only ones that get my back up are the ar$eholes who steal cars to banger them. They're just scum.
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