markbognor
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2nd manifold nut into the job, and i've got to this. My ring spanners are just slipping on the nut, openended spanners come staight off, and I can't get a socket in there. The nut still has a bit of shape. Is it worth me going out to see if I can find one of those surface drive spanners? Any other thoughts before I wreck the nut completely, oh and its 13mm just in case any of you old sages know that an imperial size is fractionally smaller. Thanks.
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Last Edit: May 31, 2008 20:54:01 GMT by markbognor
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1/2 inch is 12.7mm, give that a try.
Oh and I'm far from an old sage ;D
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Last Edit: May 29, 2008 8:38:51 GMT by Adam
1997 TVR Chimaera 2009 Westfield Megabusa
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markbognor
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1/2 inch is 12.7mm, give that a try. Oh and I'm far from an old sage ;D Indeed. Nice one Adam, i'll have to shoot over to my dads to see if he has a 1/2" ring spanner, all my stuff bar a few cheep sockets is metric.
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markbognor
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When, not if, i get this nut off without major drama is there any kind of nut i should be buying to replace it, and any more that look a bit ropey. Obviously flanged but are there any other specs to look for?
And is copper slip, copper greese or are they two completely different things?
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markbognor
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May 29, 2008 10:18:11 GMT
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Ball Bags. Just snapped a stud, a different one to the one with the rounded nut. So off shopping again, nut splitter and stud extractor. No idea if i'll be able to get the manifold off without removing the steering box. Who said this was going to be a quick job.
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Mr K
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May 29, 2008 11:14:09 GMT
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gonna say, use a cold chisel to split the nut.
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May 29, 2008 11:29:41 GMT
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yeah, so was I. Bad luck on the snapped nut, dude ;( I find a touch of oxy-acetelyne workes wonders on stuck manifold nuts. Oh, and copperslip is/was a trademark for copper grease, so synonyms.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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DutyFreeSaviour
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May 29, 2008 11:58:48 GMT
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Not nice on the snapped stud man, scrotumsacks - good luck with the rest, luckily m Trump let me have the studs with the nuts instead of snapping! Always the 'easy' jobs ain't it
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Back from the dead..... kind of
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May 29, 2008 12:08:05 GMT
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At the weekend we found prayer worked We were removing the downpipe from a honda prelude, and 5 of the 6 nuts/studs did NOT want to move, we were gradually rounding them off, I found the best thing, after prayer, was to use single hex sockets, but obviously you can't get a socket in there, so not ring spanners, because they'll slip, being the equivalent of double hex, and that results in half the amount it can spin before gripping, if you know what I mean. Some GT85 or similar? And heat it a little.
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The journey of 1000 miles starts with a single coffee.
I don't like coffee!
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May 29, 2008 12:08:22 GMT
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markbognor
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May 29, 2008 14:29:59 GMT
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Well I prayed. For the nut to come undone, and for the rain to hold off. Perhaps i should have just prayed for one thing, it appears that whichever god it was that i got through to thought that two things was greedy and granted neither. Nice link Jonny, entertaining and informative, you posted that on here too, i remeber the bit obout turning the bush to center the drill bit, like the lengthened bit too clever stuff. I'm hoping that there will be enough thread still showing on the broken stud to wind another nut onto and then possibly weld in place. Which means doing the round trip to school to borrow the mig, and hoping my near non existant welding skills are up to the task. The rounded nut is now even more mangled, but still stuck fast. The nut splitter i bought broke, and the best strike that i can give a cold chisel is a tap, because there is nowhere to swing the hammer. here's some more pictures. Imagine getting to the nut under the manifold for number 4 cylinder. Here's another exciting view, what i can see from under the car. It would all be ok, well a little bit more ok if i had three elbows on my right arm. I'll have to go to my dads tomorow and get my blow torch, but i'm not sure if that'll be hot enough anyway, or even how i'll get something on the nut to turn it even if the heat free's it a bit. There's not a chance of getting a grinder in there to remove the remaining nut. I might try tomorrow with my dremmel type tool to see if i can grind away the nut. Got any other ideas?
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markbognor
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May 29, 2008 14:33:43 GMT
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Looking at the pics again it looks like there's loads of room. There isnt....really!
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May 29, 2008 14:36:29 GMT
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Dremel type effort with a flexible drive and cutting disk?
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Old Fords never die they just go sideways
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DutyFreeSaviour
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May 29, 2008 14:55:32 GMT
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Is the part stamped with Mercedes Benz the engine support? - Sorry not 'au fait' with the teutonic cruisers, but if it is, axle stand with wood under sump and remove it, that'll ease the access I reckon. The Dremmel should work with a decent cutting disc, cut two sides and get a smaller spanner on 'em. I did that with the Trump - took a while mind as it crept out eventually! Good luck!
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Back from the dead..... kind of
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May 29, 2008 15:04:21 GMT
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Dremel extension with a tungsten carbide cutting bit on it should do it
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horney™
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May 29, 2008 15:05:25 GMT
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Drill? I've had to drilla few nuts off in the past where grinder access was a no go. Hand windy drillis best as you can go nice and slow and have plennty of control, plus they're small!
Nick
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May 29, 2008 15:28:47 GMT
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cut the manifold up into bits and fit another one afterwards, makes it mucho easier to get at stuck nuts and snapped studs and sometimes the vibrations loosen up nuts anyway, usually works out quicker in the end.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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markbognor
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May 29, 2008 15:57:41 GMT
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That thought crossed my mind popup, I do have another manifold, its bolted to the side of the engine of my other ce on my nans drive. I might save that as a last resort.
Going to try with the dremel type tool first thing tomorrow. Which will probably result in me having to buy more stuff to do the job.
One has already broken, one i can see clearely the thread is stripped, the others must be worse for wear, so i'm going to replace all the studs and nuts.
These have been ordered from MB, but when i finally get them out, how do i put the studs back in. Should they be copper greased, or thread locked? Winding them in, is locking one nut against another ok? Should I buy a tap/thread restorer to run down the holes first? Should the studs wind in with my fingers? Anything else i haven't thought of. Oh ball bags, have only just though about tourque settings as well, and i havn't got a tourque wrench....and so it goes on.
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May 29, 2008 16:21:03 GMT
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I normally thread lock them in for what it's worth. Two nuts on the end tightened together and tighten it in good and tight. When I was looking at getting my broken stud out from the comments from other people the thing that seems to help the most is heat because it breaks the corrosion between the two part. Tapping it does a similar job. When you weld the nut on make sure the stub of old stud is good and clean if you can get to it and it may take 5-6 attempts apparently. Looks like other guys use a selection of different sized nuts welded in different places before they get the right one. I've never had to resort to this method luckily but it looks like it normally works
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markbognor
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May 29, 2008 16:34:50 GMT
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Good and tight is mty kind of torque setting ;D
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