|
|
May 25, 2008 19:51:17 GMT
|
Hi people. Right we begin, The plan is take 1 Mx5 1.8 and 1 supercharger from a New mini put them together and see what i get. The final desgin should keep the throttle in the orginal place to keep things simple, its got to have a intercooler to make the most of the boost. I made a start today by making up some template brackets to see if my idea has any legs. The idea is to make a bracket that bolts to the top exhuast studs and site the charger on a plate welded to that. extra braces will be added to streaghten the lot up. . due to lack of steel i had to make some bits out of ally which i will use as templated once i get some steel and a welder. I'm not sure this will work but i geuss we will see. wish me luck.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
|
May 25, 2008 19:57:53 GMT
|
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
|
Whats that nice big boss on the side of the head used for ? Engine lifting eye I suspect Id look at coming off that to the large boss on the front of the charger Also remember you need to get the air out as smoothly as possible, so will need to be careful over the exhaust manifold ;o) Can you Rotate the charger slightly to improve the exit path ? Cheers Dom
|
|
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 11:06:16 GMT
|
Your right its a lifting eye, i have wonderd about using somthing like a bit of angle steel and bolt to the front 2 bolts on the charge to that point, i need to check the alignment to see how they line up. Airflow out the charger will be tricky. Not really enough space to turn it more than afew degrees. The exhaust manifold drops down quite quickly from the head so i hope the charger is far enough out that with the right shaped out put pipe it will clear and come out nice and smooth. Hopfully the intercooler will deal with some of the heat thats transfered. I'm going to wrap the manifold and add a cover or somthing on the bottom of the charger to reflex some heat. Next step is to spend some time moving things around in the cars engine bay to see where things will fit. Hope to have a look at that this weekend weather depending.
What sort of shape out put do i need is it best to have the out put a as close to 90o to the bottom of the charger? I want to put the filter in the top right hand corner of the engine bay with a box around it with a feed from the scuttle area to make use of that high pressure bit. (Blame Andy Bower for putting ideas in my head. but not telling me the propper names) then a 90o swept bend in to the charger.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 11:23:45 GMT
|
silly question but why didn't you just buy a supercharger kit for the mx5??
|
|
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 12:21:44 GMT
|
Price. i don't have 2k to spend on a car thats only worth 2k in the first place. But wheres the fun in buying it, wouldn't learn anything then. Have the fun is building it.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 12:24:00 GMT
|
found a few pics which may make things clearer. this is my engine bay, added a strut brace but other than that standerd. This is a handy little pic of how the jackson racing kit mounts to the engine, using the added bracket and the lifting eye. but it shows how the exhuast manifold sits.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
PhoenixCapri
West Midlands
Posts: 2,685
Club RR Member Number: 91
|
|
May 27, 2008 13:42:20 GMT
|
To be honest you want to avoid 90deg bends at all costs due to pressure loss over them. You sure you can't get creative and lean the charger over so exit points at front left wheel centre (I think I need to go do a drawing of that don't I!) That way you could have a couple of 30 or 40deg bends down the the front to your intercooler - I'm sure it's at this point that Dom will point out an air/water charge cooler would be a much better idea as it will limit your pipe runs and give you a bigger thermal mass to dicharge your heat to. Then you'd control the cooling water pump off an rpm signal and inlet charge temp sender so that you'd get increased cooling when you get temp spikes/higher charger speed...... I really should build a system myself to put these idea to work rather than just theorising shouldn't I! Anyway even with an intercooler it'll be better than a Jackson kit or the numerous turbo kits out there all of which don't seem to use an sort of post charger cooling at all! I mean come on a turbo feeding straight into the inlet in this day and age, especially with such a huge opening in the front of the car too, no wonder the engine needs no calibration changes, the increase in volumetric efficieny will be pretty limited due to the low air density - ok that my rant about over priced badly designed charger kits over! And a thread that might be interesting, escpecially as he's getting to the point of making it all fit - www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=103350 (and no I'm not thinking I should have kept the charger for myself and done this to the escort.....honest......though it would be cheaper than those shiney cams.....hmmmmm )
|
|
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 13:52:19 GMT
|
It was a far swap (sort of) The charger for that screen. lol. Not really thought about a Charger cooler, seen one on a MR2 but i thought they used a chargcooler becasue of the engine being at the back and very little airflow round the area. I'm just not sure on the clearance if the charger is tilted over. have to get the air box out this weekend and move things around and have a look. Drawing would be good. i like pictures.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
PhoenixCapri
West Midlands
Posts: 2,685
Club RR Member Number: 91
|
|
May 27, 2008 15:58:34 GMT
|
So angle charger, and then brace bottom to exhaust/lifting eye and top to a few rocker bolts. And braces are filleted to increase stiffness - hope that makes a bit more sense
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 17:37:36 GMT
|
wish i could help of the techy bits but i can say your a legend for having a bash and learning as u go, i don't have the bottle for stuff like that.
i do love mx5s too, lovely motors
|
|
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 18:03:40 GMT
|
So angle charger, and then brace bottom to exhaust/lifting eye and top to a few rocker bolts. And braces are filleted to increase stiffness - hope that makes a bit more sense no chance of clearing the bonnet never mind the strut brace. mite just about get away with somthing like this. stole the head drawing you did. sorry. arn't we b oth masters of Paint.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 18:04:46 GMT
|
wish I could help of the techy bits but I can say your a legend for having a bash and learning as u go, I don't have the bottle for stuff like that. I do love mx5s too, lovely motors cheers mate. the hope is i can do as much as poss with my spare head meaning i can keep the car on the road. Free charger and the car just begging for more power. HAD to be done.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 18:09:24 GMT
|
what car inst begging for more power haha
|
|
|
|
|
|
May 27, 2008 19:03:52 GMT
|
Just one thing that worries me about using the lifting eye on the head is this this is what happed to a guy with the jackson racing supercharger. but they only use two holds to hang the charger from.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
May 28, 2008 18:21:08 GMT
|
Done alittle more this evening, following advice from Dom and Andy, i've made a start on a bracket to bolt to the head lifting bolt. the idea is it will be welded to the base plate the charger sits on and with a tab of some sort bolt though to the head. I need to cut the profit of the head out to get the charger to site close to the head again, but unit i decide if i can angle the charger i won't. Been out in the rain as well and took some picy of the engine bay to give you guys a idea of the challange it will be fitting it in. the air filter will end up in the top right hand corner, the air box will come out and i'll probably replace it with on of the closed in cone filter and a cold air feed. The charger has basicly got to fit in this space. the strut brase may have to be lost, but i would rather keep it. if you look closely you can see the spare pully I'm going to run the charger from. I have messured it up and using a guide from PPC i recon i should get roughly 7psi if not a little less. Of couse the intercooler will loss some pressure but I'm not going for all out power, just abit ...more.... Thanks for the help so far guys.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
May 29, 2008 21:19:38 GMT
|
Mite be getting ahead of my self but its been playing on my mind. I need to do somthing with the fueling and ignition systerm, I don't really want to go on to mega squirts (abit above me) and i can't aford in the budget to get a full on ecu. Choice seem to be either a Unit with adjusts the timming under boost and a rasiing rate fuel pressure thingy or i have seen people adding Piggy back ECU. somthing like a E-manage (blue??) not clear on these but still not sure there in budget either, is there like a mega jolts/squirts piggy back ecu? mega piggy (should be made for the name who wouldn't want a MEGA piggy??)
help before i put it on carbs or thing silly.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
|
|
May 29, 2008 21:44:28 GMT
|
You may be able to get away with fitting bigger injectors perhaps, that will give you more fuel, you could get a narrow band o2 gauge. the piggy back turns out to be a resistor or diode that tricks the ecu into adding more fuel, generally accepted to be not that great in most cases due to bore wash but may help in your case, who knows? Is it an wire air mass meter or what? there is a chance you may max it out with boost, it all depends how adaptive the ecu is I suppose. If it were me I would definitely use an intercooler and more importantly, Megasquirt ar some other programmable ecu. If you used Megasquirt you could get rid of the AMM and use a map sensor plugged into the inlet manifold, have the intake at the rear of the bay, fit a heat shield between the exhaust manifold (and wrap the mani) run the charge air right up to the front through a long ic. It costs more and seem a lot of hassle but do you really want to risk blowing up your engine? cgi.ebay.co.uk/Defender-TD5-standard-Intercooler_W0QQitemZ330238942487QQihZ014QQcategoryZ31348QQcmdZViewItem
|
|
1985 Bedford CF2 camper 1991 Volvo 240 Turbo
|
|
|
|
|
The AMM is a hot wire type. I know the E-manage Piggy back ecu is like a little programable thing abit like the megajolts but it doesn't replace all of the mazda ecu. not sure how it does work it. I belive the AMM will be alright becasue i've seen them on higher boost mx5 than I'm planning. it will also be fitted before the charger . Intercooler is definatly on the list. hopeing to *cough* find one soon.
|
|
1987 Mini with Suzuki Swift GTI engine 2005 BMW E91 320D Touring
|
|
PhoenixCapri
West Midlands
Posts: 2,685
Club RR Member Number: 91
|
|
|
Mebbe an intercooler will just drop out of the sky one day....... And I've read somewhere that for low boost mappable piggybacks can work fine, actually theres a guy at work aiming for 350bhp from his Skyline using higher boost and a piggy back (plus other bits obviously) I'll see if I can find out what piggy back hes using cos he's usually very good at doing things in a well thought out and sensible way
|
|
|
|
|