purplevanman
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May 21, 2008 21:01:25 GMT
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hiya I was going to ask a similar question to alistairk,
I am after a diesel lump for my next car, whatever it will be. I am after a rear wheel drive engine and box from something around 2l ish pref turbo non technical. What are my options?
many thanks Alan
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May 21, 2008 21:09:15 GMT
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A mate of mine swears by the Isuzu TDI 1.7 used in Cavalier Mk3, Astra and sundry others. I presume it would be RWD-able using an Isuzu pickup gearbox. I had cast idle thoughts about whacking one into a Viva or something. But nothing came of the idea. They defo run good on filtered chip fat too...
Also consider the 1.9 TDI Peugeot lump. Used to be a glut of people tuning them in 306s and the like. Got good results. Not sure how you'd RWD it. Maybe a Pug 505 box?
Then theres the VAG 1.8TDI. Again no obvious RWDing options but I "believe" that the Volvo diesels in the 740 models were supplied by Audi. So maybe the bellhousing would fit?
Also then the TDI used in the Volvo 740 etc. Probably bigger than what you want, I think its a 2.4 or so. No idea if its any good or not
The Ford 1.8 TDI is not that great. But its native RWD at least.
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May 21, 2008 21:09:26 GMT
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Well, one of the PPC guys is building a Wiesel (a Westfield Diesel) using an Audi A4 engine and VAG bits and pieces in a westy chassis, so he could tell you what box to mate with it.
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SteB
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May 21, 2008 21:19:43 GMT
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VAG 1.9 PD TDI is same block as a 20vT and there are bellhousing adaptor plates available off the shelf for Ford Type 9 boxes for example.
What happened to the PPC diesel kit car project anyway? They discussed this topic at length.
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May 21, 2008 21:20:45 GMT
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Black8driver has managed to fit the isuzu engine to a carlton box for his chevette.
The best bet for a 2 litre is the peugeot lump. It wont mate to a 505 box though. You can bolt one to a sherpa box or get an adapter made up. I did know someone who fitted one in p100 and had a complete bellhousing made up to fit to a type 9 box.
don't bother with sierra diesels as they're horrible.
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May 21, 2008 21:26:58 GMT
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LDV pilots used the 1.9 pug engine in RWD form so get the box out of one of them as they are the old LT77 that used to back up Rover V8's so should be strong enough.The big Volvo's used a VW 5cylinder diesel with a volvo RWD box,if you get something bigger.
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May 21, 2008 21:27:14 GMT
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I drove a rental Corsa CDT and I think it was only a 1.2 but it was a nice little motor for a uber-econo I thought. There are rumours of 90 MPG cruising on those. I smell BS but still. I also thought it would make a cracking transplant into a HA Viva or Moggy Minor... If a suitable RWD box could be found.
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May 21, 2008 21:34:33 GMT
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There are a lot of very nice small diesels around at the moment but they're not diy friendly. Dave Walker, if your reading this theres a hole in the market
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May 21, 2008 21:37:01 GMT
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May 21, 2008 21:45:59 GMT
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(Engages pedantry) older VAG 4 pot Diesels come in 1.6, 1.7 and 1.9 NA, 1.9TD and 1.9TDI (more electrics and more power in the latter) They share bell housing patterns with petrols so there must be something with a suitable RWD gearbox. The Wiesel has a Supra box and adaptor bell housing - call Will and order the back issue, it's really interesting
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purplevanman
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May 21, 2008 21:53:22 GMT
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Thanks all.. There are a lot of very nice small diesels around at the moment but they're not diy friendly. Dave Walker, if your reading this theres a hole in the market What makes them not diy friendly, electrics? I like the vauxhall isuzu way or pug to sherpa, I have cit zx TDI at the mo and thats what gave me the idea. Moggie, prefect, herald, or anything around that size is being hunted
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May 21, 2008 22:07:44 GMT
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Thanks all.. There are a lot of very nice small diesels around at the moment but they're not diy friendly. Dave Walker, if your reading this theres a hole in the market What makes them not diy friendly, electrics? I like the vauxhall isuzu way or pug to sherpa, I have cit zx TDI at the mo and thats what gave me the idea. Moggie, prefect, herald, or anything around that size is being hunted Indeed. CAN networking ties the engine managment into every other system on the car, even down to the radio in some cars. As soon as you take the other systems away the ecu detects a fault and either wont run or goes into limp mode so your lucky to get over 40mph. The best one is the brake light bulbs. On a modern car when the brake lights come on the ecu kills the power to engine so it slows down quicker. the downside of this is when a brake light bulb blows the ecu detects a change in the circuit resistance and kills the power. You try explaining to someone that the reason why their car wont go is because their brake lights don't work
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There are a lot of very nice small diesels around at the moment but they're not diy friendly. Dave Walker, if your reading this theres a hole in the market 1.4's, bah 1.9 TDI FTW.
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May 22, 2008 17:55:46 GMT
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LDV pilots used the 1.9 pug engine in RWD form so get the box out of one of them as they are the old LT77 that used to back up Rover V8's so should be strong enough.The big Volvo's used a VW 5cylinder diesel with a volvo RWD box,if you get something bigger. Older LDV 200s used the ruddy marvellous Perkins 2.0 diseasel lumps. You will struggle to find a better motor than ones of these. Also found in Maestro cars and vans, some had turbos some didn't and as they can be adapted to fit a Landrover rwd shouldn't be a massive problem.
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Corsa Apology Champion 2014.
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May 22, 2008 18:01:23 GMT
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There are a lot of very nice small diesels around at the moment but they're not diy friendly. Dave Walker, if your reading this theres a hole in the market 1.4's, bah 1.9 TDI FTW. is that a mk3 golf 90bhp?
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SteB
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May 22, 2008 18:40:37 GMT
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Looks a lot like one.
To add more to the VAG PD shout... theres lots of places now that do immobiliser defeat software so you now don't need matching clocks, igntion, ECU etc. And theres plenty of people who will do you a remap for not much over 300 quid - my PD130 went to about 315 lbft with no other modifications. Oh, and I can still achieve 65mpg without really thinking about it.
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May 22, 2008 19:04:17 GMT
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VAG 1.9 PD TDI is same block as a 20vT and there are bellhousing adaptor plates available off the shelf for Ford Type 9 boxes for example. What happened to the PPC diesel kit car project anyway? They discussed this topic at length. Last months mag shows it still in progress.
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May 22, 2008 19:17:35 GMT
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I can make the MPG dial on my Cadillac say 70 MPG. Down hill, coasting...
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May 22, 2008 22:00:49 GMT
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It's a Polo 1.9 TDI Sport (red D and I).
I do 100 miles a day so needed a diesel, having had petrol Polo's I figured it'd be better than dragging the weight of a Golf or Passat about.
70mpg isn't normal though - it's dull as hell driving that slow on the M62/M18/M1. :-)
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Colonelk
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May 22, 2008 22:11:08 GMT
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Hmmmm. I have a VAG diesel in the t5 transporter daily. its the 1.9. Darn thing doesnt like the van I have to say! Or high wycombes hills. My average return is normal sub 30mpg. S'ok tho..... fuel card baby!
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