Dez
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May 12, 2008 20:57:37 GMT
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thinki may be getting one......... adandoned project, little rust, complete minus engine but some strange bits cut out but supplied with so they can be put back in........ he's also throwing in a set of sierra sapphire 4 bolt struts complete with brakes, a cortina rear axle, and the complete saph rear subframe too- so its ripe for 4-studding i happen to have a pinto sat around doing little, and i know where theres some ford pattern 13x8 positive offset revos i can lay my hands on so its a potential cool ride for very little. what should i know about them then?
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May 12, 2008 21:15:53 GMT
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all the sierra front end stuff will bolt straight on even ABS if you want it, cortina axle will need leaf spring mounts welded onto it, original pinto will be low compression with a crappy carb on it, a proper pinto makes loads of difference in the way they drive, check the chassis where it joins the cab, thats where most of em go rotten. Rear chassis rails are the right width to fit the sierra rear beam with the adition of a couple of simple mounts and one for the diff, cheaper and easier to find LSD in the sierra set up compared to the cortina axle and you NEED one in a P100. complete XR4x4 front end into a P100 Sierra beam sitting under P100 chassis theres one i wish i had been able to finish.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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May 12, 2008 21:19:52 GMT
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is it a pinto?
i thought most of these were TD motors?
what odd bits have been cut out?
bulkhead plate where the clutch cable passes through?
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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Dez
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May 12, 2008 21:27:21 GMT
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I don't know what motor it had, I can fond out though. it hasnt got one right now. the pinto I have is a 20 block one from a capri or cortina, not the original one for it.
its had the front slam panel/rad support cut out to slide in a large motor ( 5L ford straight 6) with the idea of putting it back in in a removable fashion, which I will proceed with doing as I think its a good idea whatever motor it gets. its also had the entire tunnel and half of the bulkhead cut out in one big piece to be moved back, again done neatly so the grinder-based action can be reversed and it can be stuck back in in the stock place and no-one will know.
some good info there popup, I like the look of the rear beam setup but it is more work then I was initially planning. we'll have to see how it goes if I get it.
are sierras 4x108 same as earlier fords then?
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Last Edit: May 12, 2008 21:28:40 GMT by Dez
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May 12, 2008 21:28:07 GMT
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More I remembered. Wheelbase it about 11" longer than a sierra I seem to remember as well, so I just added an extra bit of steel onto the bottom of the handbrake so I could use the sierra cable, its nice using lots of standard parts, the tunnel also has the mounts in it for the MT75 gearbox as well so no worries about finding a nice strong box if you want a pokey engine, 24v ones go really well, an irish lad won some drifty championship against some big money cars in a ratty V6 P100 with a welded diff. Yeah sierra's are standard ford 4 stud size.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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educate me- sierra shape P100sRobinxr4i
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May 12, 2008 22:37:18 GMT
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Sounds like an ace project! The positive offset Revolutions sound secsual Swaping the hubs to regular ford ones is a good idea as it opens you up to lots of wheel choice Pug, Saab and loads of Fords. As standard they have transit style hubs and decent wheels are next to impossible to get. Plus you get a huge choice of brakes inc cosworth ones Although I have very little experience of serious mechanics, wouldn't it be better to go with the IRS setup for a Sierra rather than the live axle from a Cortina. Plus if you slam it, you'll get loads of negative camber (to hell with the tyres ) I thought most of these were TD motors? You'd be suprised, lots did end up with 2.0 pintos (unfortunatly low comp ones) I went to look at a couple that were local to me and both were carb'd pintos (don't think they ever came with Pinto EFi, DOHC or CVH engines though probably wrong)
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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live axle is better for straight line traction, irs better round corners so depends what you wanna use the car for, the complete sierra front suspension and crossmember will lower it about 2" as well, cant remember where the extra height is though, i fitted the loom from my 4x4 along with the doors with leccy windows and mirrors, dash, seats etc etc, holes and brackets are there for everything already, just had to splice it into the P100's rear lights, only thing i couldnt fit was the height adjustable driver seat cos the chassis rail comes into the cab and gets in the way of the winder under the seat. They can be made lovely inside with some nice bits bolted in. If you already have a removable front box section it would make doing this really easy.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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bigrod
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May 13, 2008 10:50:00 GMT
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live axle is better for straight line traction, irs better round corners Controversial, but I think it's the other way round. JM2PW.
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May 13, 2008 11:02:24 GMT
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live axle is better for straight line traction, irs better round corners Controversial, but I think it's the other way round. JM2PW. not at all controversial, you don't see any of the fastest drag cars running IRS, or any F1 cars running live axles.
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stealthstylz
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educate me- sierra shape P100sstealthstylz
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May 13, 2008 11:35:01 GMT
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The struts are shorter on Sierras compared to P100s. There were some uber cool ones going around in the late 90s/early 00's, though my favourite was gloss black with tiger stripes, slammed on black RFX's.
Matt
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educate me- sierra shape P100sRobinxr4i
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May 13, 2008 11:42:20 GMT
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F1 cars running live axles. Leaf springs and live axles for F1, sounds like a good idea to me! Might make it a bit more exciting
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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May 13, 2008 11:44:14 GMT
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if you keep the standard 5 stud hubs you could always fit SD1 alloys......
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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bigrod
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May 13, 2008 11:45:51 GMT
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Controversial, but I think it's the other way round. JM2PW. not at all controversial, you don't see any of the fastest drag cars running IRS, or any F1 cars running live axles. The reason I say that is that with a live axle when the car leans on a bend, the tyres stay planted flat on the road with IRS they don't. IRS is good for absorbing bumps and keeping the tyres flat when the car's level, a live axle wouldn't do that but when the car leans on a bend with IRS the tyres pitch over onto the wall. There is a sports car manufacturer who've developed an IRS system that addresses the tyre pitch thing, but I can't remember the name. Of course, I could be completely wrong.
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May 13, 2008 11:58:04 GMT
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not at all controversial, you don't see any of the fastest drag cars running IRS, or any F1 cars running live axles. The reason I say that is that with a live axle when the car leans on a bend, the tyres stay planted flat on the road with IRS they don't. IRS is good for absorbing bumps and keeping the tyres flat when the car's level, a live axle wouldn't do that but when the car leans on a bend with IRS the tyres pitch over onto the wall. There is a sports car manufacturer who've developed an IRS system that addresses the tyre pitch thing, but I can't remember the name. Of course, I could be completely wrong. tis true that a live axle keeps the tyres flat, but its also a massive chunk of weight and any bump effects both wheels, besides an IRS can be set up the same way if desired its just that road cars tend to use cheap swing arm set ups, when your cornering the fact that the outside wheel on swing arm leans into the bend like a motorcycle wheel can help with traction as it cancels out the cars roll which would tend to put the wheel into positive camber. As with most things you can compensate with good design, but with the stuff most of us get to play with, a big heavy live axle is worse on bends but good for keeping your wheels planted off the start line while an IRS will switch to negative camber as its compressed under hard acceleration and you lose half your contact patch with the road.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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May 13, 2008 12:20:53 GMT
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Double wishbone IRS can be tuned to give the correct camber under roll so that the tyres stay in full contact with the ground, increasing grip with the advantage of less unsprung mass. Unfortunately this can cause some nasty negative camber under squat which is why it isnt used in drag cars, where unsprung mass means absolutely jack all.
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May 13, 2008 13:29:19 GMT
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P100's were all built in Port Elizabeth in South Africa were they not. I'm sure I saw loads with whopping great v8's tooling around cape Town back in the day.
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This space available to rent. Reach literally dozens of people. Cheap rates!
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May 13, 2008 13:45:48 GMT
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dunno about sierra shape ones, all previous models were built in SA, me mate has a SWB 3 litre V6 mk4 cortina shape one that was imported, we only got the boring models.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Dez
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And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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May 14, 2008 19:44:21 GMT
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well, ive bought it H-plate so '91, ex-norwich council parks department, in pretty damn good nick, but a horrible pea green colour. it probably needs 3 little bits of welding to be 100% solid, none more than 1" square. the bed is good, no holes or dents as its been ply lined. it has sierra sapphire stubaxles, hubs, discs and brakes included for the front, and the complete saph subframe for the back. it has a 5 speed gearbox, but no motor. i gave him £100 for the lot, and then £20 for a good flywheel and clutch to mate to the good running pinto for 50 notes last week
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May 14, 2008 20:04:41 GMT
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I know all the cortina based P100's were built in S africa,the best way to tell is to check the chassis plate it should say "FORD ZA"
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May 14, 2008 21:19:17 GMT
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