bigrod
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I'm quite surprised about everyone raving about BMW diesels (of Omega, Land(Range?)Rover and e34 525tds fame! I've heard nothing but bad stuff about them - HonestJohn, various BMW forums... Does anyone know these well? Are there known weak spots (pump for example)? I love the modern BM turbodiesels from e39 onwards but if they go wrong, they go very very wrong and the repairs cost more than a good retro car. Just wondering what's the dirt on the old lumps. A friend of mine's, (who used(s) this forum), Father owns the very first Bowler ever built. Y'know, the Wildcat thing that makes Richard Hammond the driving 'God'. Well, it has a straight six BMW Turdo-Diseasel engine in it with some sort of 'super'chip. It pumps out somewhere in the region of 300 BHP on stock internals! Now that can't be a bad thing can it?
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Apr 22, 2008 10:18:46 GMT
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Hmm.... I wonder how much massaging it would take for an old e34 to produce these figures.... (where's the icon for 'sitting in a bath with a cheap cigar and a glass of expensive single malt while pondering how to get something for nothing' when you need one!)
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Apr 22, 2008 10:48:18 GMT
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1.5 BMC B-series diesel.
Thinking a bit outside the box, what about the VAG 2.5 5-pot (used in the T4 Transporter, Audi 100, Volvo 850 diesel)? Think they made up to 140bhp in standard form, and are fairly straightforward mechanically. Only ever used in FWD applications unfortunately, but they sound delicious.
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rysz
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Apr 22, 2008 10:56:58 GMT
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I'm quite surprised about everyone raving about BMW diesels (of Omega, Land(Range?)Rover and e34 525tds fame! I've heard nothing but bad stuff about them - HonestJohn, various BMW forums... Does anyone know these well? Are there known weak spots (pump for example)? I love the modern BM turbodiesels from e39 onwards but if they go wrong, they go very very wrong and the repairs cost more than a good retro car. Just wondering what's the dirt on the old lumps. A friend of mine's, (who used(s) this forum), Father owns the very first Bowler ever built. Y'know, the Wildcat thing that makes Richard Hammond the driving 'God'. Well, it has a straight six BMW Turdo-Diseasel engine in it with some sort of 'super'chip. It pumps out somewhere in the region of 300 BHP on stock internals! Now that can't be a bad thing can it? Any more info on this? Cheers Rysz.
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Last Edit: Apr 22, 2008 10:57:30 GMT by rysz
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bigrod
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Apr 22, 2008 11:16:02 GMT
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Any more info on this? Cheers Rysz. What info do you want Rysz? I don't know much more about it than that other than the chassis is a sight to behold and resembles the Forth Bridge in some ways. The guy's out of the country just now, (and will be for a while!), but I can ask him questions and relay back if you want the next time I hear from him.
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bazzateer
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Apr 22, 2008 12:03:52 GMT
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BMW/GM Omega 2.5 TD, get the 5 speed box too and you're on a winner. Might even buy it off you when it's done
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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Apr 22, 2008 13:09:30 GMT
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Apr 22, 2008 19:49:30 GMT
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yeah , 6.2 might just be a little bit over what i want for the car , lol. bazzateer , once the car is useable its being put into duty as a parts hauler/tat yard junk mover / boredom killer , once my bedford cf is back on the road the fd is being garaged untill my son has his driving licence. of course i might just carryout a total restoration to class 1 condition with the original replacement panels and spares i got . cheers for all the info lads , gives me a lot of food for thought.
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Apr 22, 2008 19:53:14 GMT
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If you want to stay GM, then how about the 2.3 TD out of a Carlton? IIRC it's an old Opel diesel with a turbo bolted on. Not the quickest of engines, nor the most powerful but fairly straightforward and already in RWD configuration.
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Apr 22, 2008 20:13:05 GMT
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hi sooty, ive been looking at carltons , I'm not looking for tyre smoking capabilities( though it would be nice) , just a strong diesel engine,
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Apr 22, 2008 20:32:49 GMT
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whats wrong with ford engine . using a p100 gear to allow you to use it as a RWD.
any of the 1800/2000 td will gladly mate up with the p100 bits though.............
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pbottomley
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If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isnt for you
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Apr 22, 2008 20:44:36 GMT
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I still thing the car would suit this... bets of both worlds, a V8 and diesel.
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Apr 22, 2008 21:23:14 GMT
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now thats just plain bloody ...................AWESOME , where do i get one from. lol
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Apr 22, 2008 21:50:17 GMT
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current Merc Sprinter vans in the states have a V6 diseasel thats nearly 160bhp or a petrol thats near over 250bhp, they are still made in germany though so it must be possible to get hold of one.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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bortaf
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what about a pug 306/405 lump? "IF" it's the same B/H pattern as the bigger 2.5 it'll fit a granada box (T9) cos ford used it in em and they can be tuined pluss no leccy gubbins to worry about either
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Last Edit: Apr 23, 2008 1:24:56 GMT by bortaf
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gearoil
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Yep a sprinter Engines got to be worth a look,how many sprinters/VW lt 35's do you see in the fastlane of the motorway doing insane speeds. Having run both, I spent more time overtaking in the Sprinter.... ;D
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Apr 23, 2008 12:14:43 GMT
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There's lots of 3.5t vans with diesel options up to the 160ish bhp mark - I used to courier for a living & I had a few different models on contract hire - IMO the best was an Iveco Turbo Daily with a 2.8 lump that I think might have been supercharged rather than turbo (?) There were numerous power options but mine was the top spec which was about 160bhp, very refined, cruised well & even though I had the Jumbo wheelbase / high top model it would go well past 100mph... it had a very nice gearbox as well, but it was a bloody big drivetrain & not sure how easy it would be to fit to a car.
Just a thought about Merc Sprinters - the one I had, the gearstick basically poked out of the dashboard next to your left had - so there is probably a fairly convoluted linkage somewhere? Might be easier to use an engine/box combo where the stick just goes straight into the box?!?
For simplicity, I would personally stick with the Rover 2.0 & Sherpa combo! They are noisy but make plenty of power & can be chipped oto give more IIRC
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Apr 23, 2008 18:59:30 GMT
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All current UK sprinters come with the V6 option. Its a brilliant engine with bags of power but being so smooth it doesnt actualy feel as quick as the older five pots which also have 160 bhp. The only problem with these engine is they cant really be done on a budget. Everything on a modern diesel engine is can networked so you wont get one to run without somekind of standalone managment or a (very) reprogrammed ECU, and even a good second hand sprinter engine will fetch over six hundred quid.
The VW engine is just as good as the sprinter. The reason most of them are not very quick is due to a very complicated cam belt system. If the cam belts arent replaced properly the timing gradually moves out and the slower they get.
Pug 306 lump wont bolt up to the sierra box, the bolt patterns are totally different. You can use a sherpa box, or get an adaptor made.
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Apr 25, 2008 20:55:16 GMT
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hi sooty, ive been looking at carltons , I'm not looking for tyre smoking capabilities( though it would be nice) , just a strong diesel engine, Well i had a Carlton TD Estate & regretted selling it. Not so quick up to speed, but once at motorway speed nothing seems to slow them down!! No complicated electronics either. Plus the engine is an Opel diesel so more of a "proper" GM engine than the Izuzu or BMW units!! The engine was also fitted to a lot of earlier Frontera's as well so should still be plenty of them about.
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Apr 26, 2008 15:07:51 GMT
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avoid the vm one with its 4 seperate heads.
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