markbognor
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Sept 18, 2007 9:26:01 GMT
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Baught a couple of BMX's to make a gravity racer and never got round to it. Had em sat in my classroom since befor the summer so I thought i'd do something with one of them. Here's how they stand, stripped for gravity racer conversion. The plan is to lay back the stem tube, and either extend and rotate forward the rear stays to lengthen the bike and lower the bottom bracket. This is what i'm working with. Part 1, Laying back the stem tube. I cut a wedge from the top and bottom tubes where ther are welded. This was folded back to create the lay back. Then I attempted to weld the join. I can not weld. Here's the result of this mornings labours. Got to decide how to tackle the rear stays now. I'm thinking remove the overhang above the wheel, remove the top tube where they join and weld back onto the seat post. But i'm concerned that this will bring the wheel too close to the seating position.
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Last Edit: Oct 20, 2007 16:13:02 GMT by markbognor
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markbognor
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Sept 18, 2007 16:05:49 GMT
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I attacked the rear stays this afternoon, but progress was slow as my y11 engineers wanted teaching. I decided to cut the rear stays on their bottom tubes just behind the bottom bracket, and then bend the top tubes out to increase the lenght of the bottom tube, increasing the wheelbase and lowering the frame some more. I was going to sleave the gap with some larger diameter tube, but looking back on slater's lowrider in an evening thread I recon turning down a shoulder on each end of a short peice of bar will look much nicer and be stronger. Bottom tube of the stays has been cut, and clamped to the bench, a long bar was slotted into the head tube and I lifted gently, I've increased the thength of the bottom tube by about 30mm, will try and get 50mm but the top tube on the stays has started to collaps where its bending (were ther curve in to join the single tube to the seat post). The bottom tubes of the stays were bent back into line using a sash cramp on the top tobe and the cut ends. Tomorrow i'll turn the spacers and hopefully get them "welded" in. Not sure whether to try to fab a bananna/chopper style seat or just use a standard saddle with a layed back seat stem.
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Last Edit: Sept 18, 2007 16:11:44 GMT by markbognor
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Rob
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Sept 18, 2007 17:18:13 GMT
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looks smart already... love the layback . . .
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markbognor
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Sept 19, 2007 9:12:50 GMT
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Rear stays sleeved, not inserted. Was easier to make the sleeves with kids about. Mockup of frame, not welded the stays yet. Not going to show off the welding, which hasn't improved. I'm going to build up the bike with the parts i have now, however i might ebay a pair of ape hanger handlebars to go with last nights purchase, £8.30 including the postage: Will need to make some sissy bars to support the rear of the saddle. I'd like these but they are a bit too much at £30.
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moomin
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Sept 19, 2007 9:58:42 GMT
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do i spy a fellow dt teacher?
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moomin
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Sept 19, 2007 10:13:37 GMT
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and working hard just like me i see
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markbognor
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Sept 19, 2007 10:16:17 GMT
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Here's the mock assembly. I'm liking the original bars, and saddle actually, will have to see when the bananna saddle comes what to do. A trad style brown leather sprung saddle would probably go best with what i've now got in mind. Oh, and from the little scoot about i've had on it its not the most rideable device ever!
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Last Edit: Sept 19, 2007 11:17:32 GMT by markbognor
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moomin
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Sept 19, 2007 10:41:26 GMT
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very nice indeed, blended and smoothed mud guard coming from that rear post would look awesome
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@toxicknobs
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Sept 19, 2007 12:29:54 GMT
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LAy back seat post and some easier gearing may be required now too. you might miss that length you cut out of the top tube! looking damn cool though, nice frame design for this idea, did the disk brake wheels come with it, thats a bit special!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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markbognor
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Sept 19, 2007 12:48:12 GMT
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Cheers for the positive comments ;D
This one is running fenderless. The disk brake wheels came with 'em, they are cable operated so more disk "Effect", a bit like the Orange "flavour" drink. A decent V or even cantalever setup would be better, but they do indeed look pretty trick.
They came with knobbly tyres but i found the "Low Rider" white walls on four "lots of spokes" wheels, for 99p each, i didn't what to use them because they didn't have fittings for the disks so I gave em to streetrules, and i think fuzz might have a couple of em too.
If i use the bannana sadle i will loose the rear caliper because its in the way of the sissy bar, however its looks like i might have to use that for another project, i really like this with its single seat now, i just need something a bit simpler than the one i have, and the layed back stem.
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Sept 19, 2007 15:40:20 GMT
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Oh yeah it is in the way. or move it to the bottom, it will pull rather than push against the frame, but as you say those disc brakes are not so hot when cheepies, look kool though.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Sept 19, 2007 16:45:44 GMT
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To fix the steering you need to move the front wheel forwards so it has some castor angle. Mine is the same and tries to yank the steering out your hands. However it looks better without it and you soon get used to it. The other added bonus is mine got stolen in France but we found it ditched closeby, they obviously decided it was too hard work and gave up ;D
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Sept 19, 2007 17:07:41 GMT
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Looks good like that! better than i imagined
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markbognor
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Sept 19, 2007 18:11:56 GMT
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Cheers,
Its getting stripped back down first thing tomorrow, I now have everything I need to build back up as a rider. Somehow i'd managed to loose one of my remaining pedals, I sold the other pair. So I've baught a cheepy set from halfrauds, along with some black hadlebar grips as i hated the blue ones they came with. I also baught a chain link splitter, the last time i held one of them was probably 15 years ago, because now the chain isn't long enough. And the paint, not a finish thats very revolutionary round these parts.
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Sept 20, 2007 7:19:06 GMT
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To fix the steering you need to move the front wheel forwards so it has some castor angle. Isn't there already a huge castor angle there? That's the reason it rides worse than original, surely? Moving the wheel forward more would increase the issue.
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markbognor
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Sept 20, 2007 7:47:46 GMT
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To fix the steering you need to move the front wheel forwards so it has some castor angle. Isn't there already a huge castor angle there? That's the reason it rides worse than original, surely? Moving the wheel forward more would increase the issue. I think, it has yes, however its got a lot more to do with the angle of the pivot, rather than turning the wheel through its vertical axis its more sort of laying it over onto its side which has the effect of tipping the bike away from the turn, and throwing the rider off. With more castor, ie the wheel further infrom of the pivot its going to make the steering harder to turn - theres a longer lever the other side of the pivot, and harder to keep in a straight line, also it will be trying to turen the wheel in an arc, rather than rotate it around a contact point at the bottom of the tyre.
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markbognor
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Sept 20, 2007 15:09:04 GMT
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Here it is, still not 100% because some scrote kid appears to have pinched 3 break levers, a chain and a pedal. So no rear brake as yet and no chain so no first ride for me today. I cant decide if i want to add some white or green scallops to the top and bottom tubes, what do ya reckon?
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Seth
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Sept 20, 2007 15:52:39 GMT
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Yep, that works! Surely your chain wouldn't fit anyway as you've lengthened the distance between the sprockets? I vote for some scallops/other paint trick to try and reduce the "heaviness" of those tubes
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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markbognor
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Sept 20, 2007 16:35:08 GMT
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I've got one chain, i was going to lengthen it with a few links from the other, which has been nicked.
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