jonw
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Nov 18, 2011 13:35:27 GMT
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Thats jolly interesting, cheers biqqle. It does seem like theres a knack to it. Something else I have noticed is if the battery is even ‘5%’ discharged, you can forget it! It will spin and spin without hint of a fire. But if you stick a jump lead on to another battery it will fire straight up first click. I had similar with my mini. Very intermittent. I figured it was the fuel injection (or rejection!!) throwing a hissy as the voltage varied.
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Suzuki SV650R The good Triumph T20 The Bad BMW G650GS The Ugly Matchless G12CSR The Smokey Toyota Hybrid One pint or Two?
Ingredients of this post Spam Drunken Rambling of author Bad spelling Drunken ramblings of inner voices Occasional pointless comments Vile beef trimming they won't even use in stock cubes
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Nov 18, 2011 16:38:42 GMT
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I'm kinda used to Italian malevolence. If thats doesnt work -'Start ya batard' down the air flow meter -or if its really playing up -take the plugs out & warm them up. That always does it.
Dodgy tickover on these is cured -for a while- by cleaing out the airflow meter. It comes back -but not for a few thousand kliks.
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Nov 18, 2011 18:25:04 GMT
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I cant find an AFM on mine, I think it must work out the mass flow off the crank speed and a MAP sensor instead.
Just bought a tin of easystart tonight as it happens!
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Nov 18, 2011 18:50:53 GMT
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Bon chance!!
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YO! I sneaked down the garage like a crafty fox last night while Ms_B was hammering the mulled wine at Manchester chrimbo market. OBJECTIVE: Find out whats going on with the starter motor. Gotta find it first, its somewhere down the back of here: Ah there it is the little b@$t@rd! 3 bolts and its off, also found a vacuum pipe of some sort that had split, so fixing that might yield a small improvement in starting skillz. Got the starter off and opened it up looking for problems: Couldnt see anything wrong with this bit, cummutator wa clean and the brushes very healthy. Like a megatard I lost one of the little springs that push the brushes against the commutator, I though it was game over but managed to make quite a decent replacement out of mig wire! I tested tm motor with the 'front' off and it spun up like a champ. The problem must be in this end Aha!!!! This placca planetary gear is b0rked. I think these gears are designed to break if the starter is trying to transmit more than a certain torque, so they go if your engine is hydrauliced or something. In this case the heat of the starter had melted it and it had stripped all the teeth, then it has cooled down and solidified and basically locked the starter motor up. I figured if these were designed to break, someone somewhere must sell new ones, and sure enough: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250934360554£11 BIN, seems a bit steep for a poxy little bit of plastic, but defo the best option i reckon rather than scratting about trying to find another starter. So, when this turns up hopefully it will give me another chance to fire up this car before it fuggin melts.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Mark
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Nov 19, 2011 23:02:41 GMT
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Ace work!
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Nice. I'm afraid the insides of my starter motor are looking a bit like that.
I think the Croma has a fuel injection setup similar to the one on my GTA (Isn't it Magneti-Marelli?) which should be going through the paces- bad cap and arm was the cause of mine, but being it is Italian it may just be throwing a strop.
Stick a strobe on the kinglead and set it to crank when you can- see if the flashes are even. If not, the crank position sensor may just be dirty and not giving a good reading. Also does it have the CODE key at that age? If it doesn't pick that up then my Cinq wouldn't start- it cut the fuel supply.
--Phil
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Nov 28, 2011 21:40:23 GMT
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Made a bit of progress lately. In fact last week i had one of my most productive garage sessions for a while. Unfortunately, like a massive TWIT I forgot my camera so cannot show you what happened. Basically i got one of those nylon gears and installed it into the starter motor, which was an interesting exercise if a bit of a faff. However it got the starter motor working again so was £11 well spent. I replaced the little rubber connection going onto the MAP sensor as well so i was sure the POS would start once I got it back together. Unfortunately, it would not. It cranked and cranked but would not go, even with a lungful of easystart. All 4 plugs were sparking, and were wet with petrol so I could not see why it wouldn’t fire. Eventually i took the plugs out, cleaned and dried them AGAIN and this time it eventually spluttered into life, and ran not very well at all. As it was warming up the max speed it would rev to came down and down until it would barely get above 1500 rpm. I’d had the foresight to spend £10 on a cheap fuel pressure gauge like this one... ...off the bay beforehand, so i boshed that on. It showed 1.4bar nominal and when you floored it the pressure dropped. I think the pressure should be about 2.5 bar and it should increase when you give it the beans, so that made me suspect the brand new eBay fuel pump I’d just spent £40 on. I hoiked it out, and just decided to have a look at the little rubber pipe that goes from the pump, to the pipe stub on the sender unit. It looked OK, but that was cos it was a rubber pipe with a fabric outer sleeve over it. Turned out the rubber pipe itself had split, so most of the petrol coming out the pump was getting squirted out the side of this ruptured pipe, straight back into the tank!!!! Anyway that took all of about 10 mins to replace, after which the Croma started straight up and sounded FLIPPIN’ SWEET. WOO-HOO!!!! Even the idle speed was rock steady. I took it for a little blezz up the lane and I have to say, that it drives great! By that I mean, as well as you can expect a dishwater-dull Italian Montego with a slushbox to drive. Nice engine though. The warning panel was flagging up that we had a light out at the front. Turns out both sidelight bulbs were missing. New ones in – problem solved. Also boshed some new wiper blades in. Its pretty much ready for an MOT now, in fact thats now happening on Saturday morning. Fingers X’d! I had a few hours to spare yesterday so decided to HIT IT with the polishing mop, as the paint was not the gleamingest (as an American might say if he was intent on making the English language sound as rubbish as possible) I gave it a quick wash down with the hosepipe and sponge (brr!) then clayed the bonnet, roof and bootlid using a garden mist bottle of soapy water as lubricant. I don’t know when you’re supposed to replace a bit of clay but i’ve had this one for years!!! It doesn’t feel like its full of grit or whatever so i’ve just carried on using it. Must have done 4 or 5 cars at least with it. No doubt a proper detailing dweeb would be doing a serious facepalm at such outlandish conduct. Anyway after claying it I washed it off again (brr!) and attacked it with the mop, used a blue pad and some old Farecla G3, which had dried out a bit so I tipped some of my bottle of mineral water in it. While i was mucking about I heard a bit of a clattering noise and noticed a couple of curly-haired and somewhat horny-looking girls had wandered into the workshop looking for some entertainment. I was not in the mood for untangling them from the wires and cables lying around so chased them away. I don’t know what had happened to the paint in the past, it is defo the original paint but the surface had a sort of knobbly look to it like orange peel. Came up alright though: There seems to be quite a knack to this mopping business. Obviously you can vary how much compound you put on, how much water you use, how hard you press with it and what speed you have it spinning at. There seems to be a sort of ‘sweet spot’ where you’ve got just enough compound to cover the surface of the pad and just enough water to stop everything drying out without splattering everywhere. In terms of speed/pressure, it seems to me that you actually want to put a small amount of heat into the paint, as that helps soften it and thus helps high and low spots to even out. But only a very small amount or you risk damaging it. I tend to start off slow till the compound has got to a nice consistency, then speed up, making sure it never dries out completely but gets warm enough such that after every pass the surface dries white after 1-2 secs or so. I also keep the mist spray thing nearby in case a bit more water is needed. Be interesting to read of other folks 'real-world' (i.e. not 'detailing world' brand-X carwax fanboy Nazi) experience with these things anyway. ANYWAY, mopping in action: I have learned in the past of the perils of letting the splats of compound dry out on bumpers, placca trim etc. My dads rover still has them 3 years after the event! So this time I washed it down after each panel, again with the hose and sponge. Brr! I dried it with the chamois and waxed it with some cheap old car wax I had knocking about. I think after a serious moppage its good policy to do at least a couple of coats of wax so i’ll use some better stuff on the next coat. Anyway by the time i was finished the car was looking much smarter, and i’d only done the horizontal panels. (SOz for the rubbish photos, difficult to get any good ones due to the almost total absence of daylight). So far so good, I’ll have a crack at the sides through the week sometime, probably. L8RZ
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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MK2VR6
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Nov 28, 2011 21:46:53 GMT
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Gad, how clean is that old girl?! Great work Mr Blx!
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Mark
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Good work mate. It's started to make me think about the problem I'm having with the Datsun is fuel related as everything else checks out like you said, apart from the fact that the Datsun actually starts and drives albeit on limited cylinders and with very little power.
I like the fuel pressure gauge thing, might have to invest in one.
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Top fettling sir. About time you got some joy from the Italian machinery. I know what you mean about mopping a car. There's definitely a 'sweet spot' where you get just enough compound/water and just the right amount of speed/pressure for it to be really effective. Usually when I start off I just make lots of mess without really achieving much but after a bit I get the knack. Doing the sides is an arm killer though. Really need a lighter mop!
As for waxing, have a look for some stuff called Collinite 476. I bought some of this from my local motor shop and it seems to be the business.
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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I’ve actually got a tin of that collinite wax, it is indeed very good, if you get a good coating of that stuff on you certainly feel like you’ve done a proper job. I’ll probably go round it with that at the end.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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bstardchild
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That's really scrubbed up well - excellent job
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MOT tomorrow at 11am!
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Brigsy
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Fiat looks like a minter after a bit of tlc! top job
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Took this tub for an MOT today. Almost gave up before I started, as while I was manoeuvring it out the garage it packed up and would not start, unleashing a SWEARFEST on the cheshire countryside. Got the usual tools out, checked for a spark (check) checked for fuel pressure (2.5 bar - check) check for injector pulsing (NEGATORY CAPN SIR!) What the fook caused them to pack up I don't know, started mucking about with the crank sensor checking for bad connections etc. After a few mins of not finding any obvious problems I gave it another whirl and it mysteriously came back to life! So, in for a penny and all that, got it hooked up: Off we went down the MOT shed. I left them to it, so as not to tempt fate and encourage it to pack up again as they were driving it onto the ramps or something. came back an hour later: It failed, but only on two things: Foglight not working and one indicator not working. I was the last job so the MOT lad popped the bank of switches out the dash and had a fiddle with the wiring which revived the fog light. Then he jumped on the indicator and found a lousy earth which got sorted by a bit of WD-40 and shoggling it about a bit. Result: MOT PASS!!!!Cant knock that service can you, specially for £35. Big up for Mollard Motors of Nantwich. Anyway, back we came on the A-frame. (check out this '$hitescape' scene): Got a little more fettling to do - fit a radio, find a spare wheel, finish mopping the paint, do the cambelt and pump a load of waxoyl into it, Then it will be pretty much 100%. I reckon I will tax it and put it on the road for a month or two then try to re-home it in the new year. Progress!!!!!Just like the crystal maze!
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Last Edit: Dec 3, 2011 17:28:03 GMT by xbo11ox
1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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That is a heart warming tale of misery, hope and ultimate triumph!
Is the Maser next?
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1967 Morris Traveller 1971 Series IIA Land Rover 1991 Golf GL 4+e 1992 Corrado G60 1986 E28 BMW 528i
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Well done Boll -I hope it doesnt disapoint once you get to use it. Bit of a wafter really...
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I have pretty low expectations NB so I doubt it will disappoint!!!!
It will disappoint if i end up coming home on another lorry mind you.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Wel done bol,you must have the patience of a saint !
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