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I think that idea ^ is best rather than hanging down under the car Yeah, was a bit low wasn´t it , cheers. I think you have the prize for solutions unlimited. Great thinking and proble solving Dave. I am off to you know who in about 10 minutes again.... I´ve got no choice Rian, need to get it back together somehow.  hi mate I had to move the air flow meter/s on a 2.9 convertion I did. didnt affect the running of the car at all. I used duct work simular to what youre going with and just made a decent mount for the meter. That´s good to know, thanks Mr. nobody. Looks like i´ll be able to keep the airflow meter roughly where it was originally and just move the filter up front. If I then mount the airfilter in the space in front of the radiator, it will get cool air, if I make up a deflecter plate it should stay dry and all i´d need to do is get some ducting made up to join the filter to the airflow meter...if you get what I mean. Perfect solution to the location. Good to see standard fabricatiors materials (Gaffer tape) being put to good use  Most of my cars, over the years, have been held together with Gaffer tape, and that wasn´t for mocking up either! ;D I would have suggested near the rad like that, but it seemed inaccessible from the pictures, probably the best bet though. Could you angle it up slightly so its directly behind the grill, or will it block airflow to the rad? I suppose it might not make too much difference? Hi Mike, should get away with a bit of 80mm ducting/piping/drainpipe - whatever...I thought about raising the airfilter up a bit too but it would get soaked when it rains. I´ll just have to build it and see if it works, if not it´s not too difficult to change. Dave, from experience position doesn't seem to make much difference, your solution looks like a winner from here.  Cheers mate ;D Thanks for all your input guys, it´s much appreciated. ;D |
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Todays little update.. Bought this lot this afternoon....  Couldn´t find any metal tubing of the right size so bought some plastic piping from the local B&Q. I´m not happy about having plastic on the van but it´ll do for now and when i get round to taking the engine out again and painting everything i´ll see if i can find something better. It´s actually a very good fit considering...  By chopping off the end where the rubber seal is inside i gained a couple of millimeters and got it to fit the ariflow meter adapter....  I´ve glued this all together and by tommorow it should be solid so i can connect it to the engine. While it was drying i took out my freshly made ducting plate and cut an 80mm hole in it so that the piping will go through to the airfilter. Something like this...  with a bit of luck i´ll have this little job done this time tomorrow.... ;D |
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Managed to get another job off the "to do" list Finished off the airfilter and ducting/piping whatever you call it... This bit goes on the engine...  and this bit connects it to the front tray where the filter is hiding...  it´s all a bit tight but i´m getting used to that slowly... ;D  ..just scrapes past the gear selector...  and comes out in the front next to the radiator...  I´ll replace it all with some decent metal piping that I can paint at some stage later but it´ll do for now to see if it all works... The filter...  is hidden behind a plate to stop it getting wet...  and hopefully this will work properly when I get the engine running.  Anyone any idea how I would be able to tell if the engine isn´t getting enough air? Would it run bad, drink petrol, not start?  ? Cheers, Dave |
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Mar 13, 2008 19:05:16 GMT
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Maybe you could buy a ColourTune (or ColorTune not sure...just google). I've heard good things about them, will give you the chance of getting the engine setup properly.
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Mar 13, 2008 21:55:42 GMT
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If the engine wasn't getting enough air you probably wouldn't be able to get to the rev limiter. From the pictures I don't reckon you'll have any problems, your filter has got quite a big surface area and all the ducting is bigger than the AFM hole.
They need a bit of exhaust back pressure to maintain any semblance of fuel economy.
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Mar 13, 2008 21:57:54 GMT
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I doubt if you will have a problem Dave, no real restriction on the line. Just fire it up and see how much suck you have at the front end.
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It all takes time and money, why do I never have them both at the same time?
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Maybe you could buy a ColourTune (or ColorTune not sure...just google). I've heard good things about them, will give you the chance of getting the engine setup properly. The good thing is the engine was running a treat before i ripped it out of the scorpio so hopefully won´t need to set anything up. I´ve heard of those colourtune thingys, they´re the seethrough sparkplugs i think, well the problem with them would be i wouldn´t have the foggiest idea where to start setting up the engine and i´d have to take the engine out to see the plugs as well. Hopefully i won´t need to change anything on the engine to get it up and running, cheers. If the engine wasn't getting enough air you probably wouldn't be able to get to the rev limiter. From the pictures I don't reckon you'll have any problems, your filter has got quite a big surface area and all the ducting is bigger than the AFM hole. They need a bit of exhaust back pressure to maintain any semblance of fuel economy. Thanks mate, wasn´t sure how i could tell. If that´s all that can go wrong then i´d be happy for starters. I can´t see me ever hitting the rev limiter anyway, and definately not until i´ve got the brakes and the suspension up to spec... ;D Back pressure could be an issue as i´ve only used the two smaller pots, decatted it and binned the rest of the original exhaust. I´ll be getting a decent one made up and will just have to experiment around a bit. I doubt if you will have a problem Dave, no real restriction on the line. Just fire it up and see how much suck you have at the front end. Cheers Andy, i tried to keep the line as straight as possible without to many sharp corners. I´ve still got a bit to do before i can fire it up but hopefully i´ll get away with it ;D |
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Mar 14, 2008 11:28:15 GMT
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couple of guys have improved their exhausts by the simple matter of welding a big washer inside the pipe if they find its running to freely so I wouldnt worry about it to much.
It don't matter how long the intake piping is either, snorkels have been fitted on 4x4's and big trucks for years and they don't suffer.
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couple of guys have improved their exhausts by the simple matter of welding a big washer inside the pipe if they find its running to freely so I wouldnt worry about it to much. It don't matter how long the intake piping is either, snorkels have been fitted on 4x4's and big trucks for years and they don't suffer. I´ll keep that washer trick in mind for when i get it up and running, cheers. Had a very welcome visitor turn up ýesterday evening...  No, not just this gorgeus MKI Granada Coupe but my mate Mike, who stopped off on his way back home to Kassel from the Ford factory in Cologne where´s he´s been on a course the last few weeks. Mike´s always welcome at our place any time of day- but especially when he´s spending all of his day off today preparing the electrics for the van. ;D Basically he turns what i consider to be an absolute nightmare ..... ...   into something that resembles a wiring loom that will fit the van. I was of absolutely no help to him (all i could do was hand him the tools he needed, feed him and keep the kettle warm.) So a massive public thanks to Mike, because there´s no way this project would have got past this stage without him ;D He´s left me with a loom that even i can understand, i´ll fit it to the van as soon as i´m ready and he´ll be back to connect up the rest and get it up and running as soon as i´m done faffing around. Glad i don´t have to do anything with the rest though...  This just proves that the Retro Rides spirit is alive and kicking -even over here... Danke nochmal Michael!!! ;D P.S. Oh and Chris (Mr. grannyslag), you´re Dash is safe and sound and hiding in the trailer until we come over to Santa Pod!! |
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Mar 15, 2008 19:53:36 GMT
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Aaaargh! Car wiring scares me!!!  You have a great friend OB!! Absolutely beautiful Granny coupe though!! <dribble!> |
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Mar 15, 2008 20:03:51 GMT
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Glad to see you're edging ever closer to that magic moment when you hear it run for the first time! The loom is quite simple once you remove the granada from round it and all the plugs can only go in one place, which gives you an idea of where the loom has to sit Yay for Michael and splumph for his coupe, once he's plumbed yours and had a go, he'll be wanting you to find him a donor scorpio too! |
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Mar 15, 2008 20:09:35 GMT
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You are really moving ahead at a pace Dave.
Michael, I need to get you here one day as well, when the bus gets to that sort of point.
Chat to you tomorrow Dave.
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Glad to see you're edging ever closer to that magic moment when you hear it run for the first time! The loom is quite simple once you remove the granada from round it and all the plugs can only go in one place, which gives you an idea of where the loom has to sit Yay for Michael and splumph for his coupe, once he's plumbed yours and had a go, he'll be wanting you to find him a donor scorpio too! Yeah, Still got a bit to go but getting there slowly. You professionals are all the same, Mike said that too, it´s a doddle....well it might be if you know what you´re doing- but I don´t -so I won´t and just gloat!!!! ;D Mike´s Coupe is just tasty, when I bought the Capri last year it was a choice between that and a Granny and everytime I see or drive his Coupe I think I bought the wrong car!!! And funny you should mention that, as we were playing around with his carbs yesterday we measured it up for the 24V You are really moving ahead at a pace Dave. Michael, I need to get you here one day as well, when the bus gets to that sort of point. Chat to you tomorrow Dave. Well actually I wasn´t moving at all , it was all Mikes doing- I just sat next to him in awe! |
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Not sure if this idea would work Dave, and I will leave it to the forum watchers to advise, but your question re airflow could be easily checked. The air passing up the pipe will create a slight vacuum, I think, so if you were to fit a couple of small unions, one by the MAF sensor, and one in the B & Q pipework, you could see if there was restriction to the airflow. Using a smallish vacuum gauge with the correct fitting, the one after the MAF would need blanking off after test, cos the electronics would be getting a false reading if you didn't blank it. Open to other users? ? Andy |
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Mar 16, 2008 10:23:09 GMT
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looks to be getting there now OB, brilliant stuff as always
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Mar 16, 2008 11:45:25 GMT
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More great progress, I love this project! I know your not happy abou the plastic tubing but it baught a massive smile to my face to see it, it shows great inginuity! I think it should stay |
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Not sure if this idea would work Dave, and I will leave it to the forum watchers to advise, but your question re airflow could be easily checked. The air passing up the pipe will create a slight vacuum, I think, so if you were to fit a couple of small unions, one by the MAF sensor, and one in the B & Q pipework, you could see if there was restriction to the airflow. Using a smallish vacuum gauge with the correct fitting, the one after the MAF would need blanking off after test, cos the electronics would be getting a false reading if you didn't blank it. Open to other users? ? Andy Hi Andy, thanks for looking in. I think i´m playing down in a different league mate, you lost me somewhere around vacuum gauge ;D No seriously, that´s a good idea and if i have problems will check it out. Popuptoastzer mentioned the other day that Jeeps etc. have been fitted with snorkals for decades without any issues so hopefully i´ll get away with it too. ;D looks to be getting there now OB, brilliant stuff as always cheers trg, one step at a time!!!! ;D More great progress, I love this project! I know your not happy abou the plastic tubing but it baught a massive smile to my face to see it, it shows great inginuity! I think it should stay Ok Steve, i´ll leave it in then...i´ll have to paint it black though!!! ;D After watching Mike yesterday playing around with the electrics all day i thought i´d do something today that doesn´t give me headaches! As i´d been concentrating on the drivers side of the cab recently i thought it was about time i got stuck into the other side. This is what i started out with this morning...  As the engine cover will be screwed into place i need to get it airtight otherwise it´s going to be rather loud in there. Originally the cover has a gap and the bulkhead has a lip which closes it....here the lip had to go but the gap is still there.....if you get what i mean?  So i have to straighten off this rounded corner on both sides to get it to seal...      did the same on the other side too...  The engine cover (you can´t really call it a bonnet can you?) was insulated from the inside but this has turned to dust over the last 45 years so i´ll have to get some modern stuff in there...  Got the seatframe/ seatbelt bracket made up ...  so now have the engine cover sat exactly where it should be. It was a bit egg shaped originally but i´ve had to squeeze it in there pretty tightly otherwise there wouldn´t be enough width left over for the passengers seat. It´s not going to be easy to get it back in but i won´t have to do it too often so i´ll have to live with it... With that all finished i started making up the seatframe....  and as i haven´t found a better place for it yet have put the expansion tank from the radiator in behind the passengers seat. It´s higher than the rad and i don´t have anywhere else for it so hopefully it´l be alright in here...  ..oh and thanks for the biccies Grizz, even the packet gets reused over here! ;D Thanks for looking in everyone, more waffle tomorrow! ;D |
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Mar 16, 2008 18:37:05 GMT
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Always laugh at myself for recycling, but you are a true champion of our cause Dave.
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Always laugh at myself for recycling, but you are a true champion of our cause Dave. I agree Rian, it´s even more fun if you can reuse old stuff!! Carried on from where i left off yesterday. Knocked up a few plates for under the passengers seat. These not only keep the noise out but will act as a base for the seat...  I´ll paint them and cover them in carpet, i can´t screw them all down as i have to leave two lids for access to the expansion tank...  and the oil fillerneck and auto box dipstick...  With this out of the way i wanted to close the gap around the engine cowl/floor...  bit of old angle iron to brace the floor and give me somewhere to screw the top cover to...  This plate will be welded to the top cover but screwed to the frame so that i can take it off again if i need a bit of space to work on the engine...  ..with a bit of luck should be able to finish off this corner tomorrow.... ;D |
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Mar 17, 2008 19:33:18 GMT
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with all those hatches your gonna be able to do what my uncle used to do whilst he was in the forces, he drove a tank rescuer thing, (just a tank without the guns) he used to to but tins of beans etc on the engine til it cooked thru, ull easily be able to do that with this too.
how about nicking a door seal off the donor car and using that for ur engine cover seal??
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