Darkspeed
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Jul 12, 2018 13:51:34 GMT
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Fog & reversing lights are mandatory on a Q plate, emissions are as passed IVA test for engine but may often be taken as smoke test only at MOT time but this is changing now as some have got caught recently with having to comply with year of test as it was not logged on the V5 that the engine was older - typical DVLA cock up but almost irreversable to get it corrected. Nt sure on the legality of the silver/black plates on mine but it's illegal to speed as well but we all do every day. Fog lights & reversing are not mandatory on a Q - none of mine ever had either, or passenger wing mirrors or side repeaters or hazards - emissions are visible smoke unless it is actually quoted on the V5c which as you say many do now have but typically just the 3.5 1200 or similar - The Litton which 1993 SVA has nothing listed. However all these items Haz fogs etc etc. are required and mandatory for the (B)IVA test - The test and the registration process are separate things - all cars get tested the same but they end up getting registered differently. Once registered the car will only need to meet the annual MOT requirements relative to the year of manufacture - If they have a new plate or an age related plate or if its a Q And as Q = no year of manufacture you can if you so wish remove them but if fitted then they have to work and will be tested. Having owned many Q's and kits and specials - put cars through SVA - IVA and removed and modified after I do speak from form a certain amount of experience building, testing, running, Modifying MOTing etc. etc. etc. And as for plates - you do not even need a plate as such - just a black background hence with a black mesh grille you can fix plastic/alloy silver numbers digits to that.
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Jul 12, 2018 14:07:34 GMT
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And as for plates - you do not even need a plate as such - just a black background hence with a black mesh grille you can fix plastic/alloy silver numbers digits to that. Woah! Never knew that. Is that specific to Q's? or cars in general???
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Last Edit: Jul 12, 2018 14:08:03 GMT by Deleted
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Jul 12, 2018 14:34:28 GMT
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Andrew,
I have been advised that fogs & reverse ARE now mandatory if fitted when passing BIVA? I could remove them but I'd need to have them for the MOT. Also now they are listing the emissions levels on the BIVA/V5 doc so smoke test is not correct (though MOT testers may not know this) and it 'should' be MOT'd at the <3.5% CO / <1200 ppm HC's.
Ordinary Q's (prior to BIVA) you are correct but it seems they are catching up on a lot now.
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Frankenhealey
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Jul 12, 2018 14:41:15 GMT
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Dog, and I thought I had problems
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Tales of the Volcano Lair hereFrankenBug - Vulcan Power hereThe Frankenhealey here
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Darkspeed
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Jul 12, 2018 15:24:49 GMT
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Andrew, I have been advised that fogs & reverse ARE now mandatory if fitted when passing BIVA? I could remove them but I'd need to have them for the MOT. Also now they are listing the emissions levels on the BIVA/V5 doc so smoke test is not correct (though MOT testers may not know this) and it 'should' be MOT'd at the <3.5% CO / <1200 ppm HC's. Ordinary Q's (prior to BIVA) you are correct but it seems they are catching up on a lot now. As I stated Q's if its on the V5c then that's what it needs to meet. I would love to see that note about revs and haz in writing - As all cars are MOT tested as presented on the year of manufacture - a Q has none - mine was fully tested with Hazards and Reverse etc. etc. as that has not changed with the SVA/IVA - But it has no date of manufacture so cannot be tested as anything other than pre 71' Mot is separate to the BIVA is separate to the registration process. There are constant references one to the other to the other and everything in between mixing them all up. However if there is a note now in the MOT testers manual that says a Q plate is approached differently for all the different years of Q's even though they will all state no determined year of manufacture or year of manufacture none then I would love to see that in writing.
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Last Edit: Jul 12, 2018 15:26:07 GMT by Darkspeed
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mk2cossie
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Jul 12, 2018 16:33:10 GMT
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Fog & reversing lights are mandatory on a Q plate, emissions are as passed IVA test for engine but may often be taken as smoke test only at MOT time but this is changing now as some have got caught recently with having to comply with year of test as it was not logged on the V5 that the engine was older - typical DVLA cock up but almost irreversable to get it corrected. Nt sure on the legality of the silver/black plates on mine but it's illegal to speed as well but we all do every day. Fog lights & reversing are not mandatory on a Q - none of mine ever had either, or passenger wing mirrors or side repeaters or hazards - emissions are visible smoke unless it is actually quoted on the V5c which as you say many do now have but typically just the 3.5 1200 or similar - The Litton which 1993 SVA has nothing listed. However all these items Haz fogs etc etc. are required and mandatory for the (B)IVA test - The test and the registration process are separate things - all cars get tested the same but they end up getting registered differently. Once registered the car will only need to meet the annual MOT requirements relative to the year of manufacture - If they have a new plate or an age related plate or if its a Q And as Q = no year of manufacture you can if you so wish remove them but if fitted then they have to work and will be tested. Having owned many Q's and kits and specials - put cars through SVA - IVA and removed and modified after I do speak from form a certain amount of experience building, testing, running, Modifying MOTing etc. etc. etc. And as for plates - you do not even need a plate as such - just a black background hence with a black mesh grille you can fix plastic/alloy silver numbers digits to that. Sorry for quoting all, couldn't be arsed to edit on tablet! But with regards to the letters on a black mesh or grill, no! I had an Austin Healey came in with such a front registration. When i went on a refresher course (remember them!) I was told by THE MAN it isn't a number plate and should fail And we know what DVSA are like for what is written in the testing criteria
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Darkspeed
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Jul 12, 2018 16:47:06 GMT
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Fog lights & reversing are not mandatory on a Q - none of mine ever had either, or passenger wing mirrors or side repeaters or hazards - emissions are visible smoke unless it is actually quoted on the V5c which as you say many do now have but typically just the 3.5 1200 or similar - The Litton which 1993 SVA has nothing listed. However all these items Haz fogs etc etc. are required and mandatory for the (B)IVA test - The test and the registration process are separate things - all cars get tested the same but they end up getting registered differently. Once registered the car will only need to meet the annual MOT requirements relative to the year of manufacture - If they have a new plate or an age related plate or if its a Q And as Q = no year of manufacture you can if you so wish remove them but if fitted then they have to work and will be tested. Having owned many Q's and kits and specials - put cars through SVA - IVA and removed and modified after I do speak from form a certain amount of experience building, testing, running, Modifying MOTing etc. etc. etc. And as for plates - you do not even need a plate as such - just a black background hence with a black mesh grille you can fix plastic/alloy silver numbers digits to that. Sorry for quoting all, couldn't be arsed to edit on tablet! But with regards to the letters on a black mesh or grill, no! I had an Austin Healey came in with such a front registration. When i went on a refresher course (remember them!) I was told by THE MAN it isn't a number plate and should fail And we know what DVSA are like for what is written in the testing criteria Whatever -
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Jul 12, 2018 20:38:08 GMT
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But mine is registered as a 2018 car, so it DOES have a year of manufacture, hence the requirement for foglights etc.
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Darkspeed
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Jul 12, 2018 20:41:34 GMT
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But mine is registered as a 2018 car, so it DOES have a year of manufacture, hence the requirement for foglights etc. Sorry I did not realise you already had the V5c and the reg through from the DVSA - my mistake no more from me . Ignore me I'm an idiot who knows nothing about the difference between a date of first registration and date of manufacture
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Last Edit: Jul 12, 2018 20:45:13 GMT by Darkspeed
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Jul 12, 2018 21:17:16 GMT
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No, only sent off paperwork today, but the registration process lists year of manufacture as 2018 on the forms - so I've been told that what it will be? If I'm wrong on the mot stuff then woohoo!!! thats good, but it's not what I've been advised so far......
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Jul 12, 2018 21:31:38 GMT
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It makes sense that they’ll be trying to tighten things up a bit,
I supposed you aren’t allowed to drive it until you get the v5? (Except to/from the test centre)
Will you not need to MOT for 3 years as well?
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Jul 12, 2018 21:34:46 GMT
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Correct, no driving till reg comes through and also correct, 3 years before mot due.
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Jul 15, 2018 21:42:28 GMT
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Going through a few bits on the car, the new lower seat frames have gone in and I've stripped the scoop and rear wing side plates as I was not happy with the paint finish. Put the pop outside so I could paint in the garage and Charlie & Molly came to inspect it.
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Jul 15, 2018 22:06:43 GMT
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Bit of a backdated post this one as it's out of sequence time wise. well with 36 hours before the retest what did I do the weekend when I got back from hols? Strip my rear axle of course!! I had tapered half shaft bearings which are not the norm....and they had a lot of end float in the actual bearings themselves (after a lot of investigation as to where the play was) we are talking 1.2 to 1.6mm end float!! so I opted to ditch the Strange ones and go for the better Moser sealed roller bearings instead. Mate Wayne kindly removed old ones and pressed the new ones on. No more end float but I did have to hand cut some 2mm shims for the end plates as the bearings are 2mm thinner. This may seem a bit mad just before the test but the reason is the end float was keeping the calipers open so the handbrake would be less effective - one of my fail points, so hopefully I can now take a little more slack out of the handbrake cable for a better brake.
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tristanh
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Jul 15, 2018 22:26:06 GMT
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Why so much float Mark, a bad bearing?
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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Bearings were fine but had loads of float??? Strange one but they are the correct 9" ford bearings - but not the std ones so maybe they need a special housing? Std are fitted now and seal better with the O ring and have zero float
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Jul 16, 2018 21:52:37 GMT
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Must be nice walking around the corner to see that sight! Also, perfectly positioned corner kitty..
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maf260
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Jul 16, 2018 22:11:55 GMT
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I saw this beast travelling south on the M1 a few days ago - instantly recognisable! I was taken aback at how small it is. Looked fantastic!
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Jul 16, 2018 22:32:32 GMT
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Must be nice walking around the corner to see that sight! Also, perfectly positioned corner kitty.. Yep, thought it looked cool myself ...Molly likes that corner. I saw this beast travelling south on the M1 a few days ago - instantly recognisable! I was taken aback at how small it is. Looked fantastic! That would be me on way back from passing the test then, everyone comments how small it it now you understand the packaging problems building it!
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MiataMark
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Whoops I might just have played some of those videos when I was meant to be concentrating on a conference call, I think if you have the microphone on mute it doesn't actually mute PC sound...
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