impmann
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I went over to a mates place in Shropshire yesterday to look over an Austin A40 Farina he's offered me. When we got to his yard (which is in the middle of nowhere and not visible from the road at all), he noticed a couple of cars missing.
The two that were immediately noticeable by their abscence were a Jag Mk10 and a partially stripped (for resto) Rover P5B Coupe. Windows had been broken on a couple of other cars, probably to move them to get to his Rover P4 (thankfully untouched) and an MOT'd Mk2 Fiesta was missing from his barn.
There are very few people that know about this place, for the obvious reasons, but of those few one of them is a banger racer who has been previously found guilty of classic car theft to use as a racer... There were definite signs of Hi-Ab use, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out whats happened.
There are some other very interesting cars on the same site (such as Walter Rohl's Audi 100 Quattro road car, a Coombs Mk10 Jag, a Daimler Double Six Vanden Plas V12 etc) and so its now all hands on deck to shift them somewhere safe. Thankfully he had just found an indoor storage unit...
As my mate says, proving this is going to be impossible as the cars will now no longer look anything like he last saw them. The VIN plates will be long gone and any chance of getting them back is slim at best.
The banger racers always complain when they get tarred with the brush of others, but the fact remains that if the sport was better legislated and those 'rogue' racers, who are well known within the sport for their activities, were banned for life, no-one would have any reason to point fingers. Currently we do. The Police are uninterested (they reported it but frankly it was a futile gesture, as one gets the feeling they are scared of retaliation from these chaps) and don't have the resources to take it any further.
We are all rather worried about the Coombs Mk10, as the theives have cleared a path to it so it is obvious they intend to return. I'd like to be there when they do, armed with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch...
So if you get offered any cheap Mk10 or P5B spares please can you let me know.
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Last Edit: Jan 7, 2008 9:59:38 GMT by impmann
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may be cold at night but if i were you id be camping down there with a bat and a milk bottle full of petrol.good luck sorting things mate.
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RR08 Bashing Night Out!!
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Thieving scum buckets, hopefully someone from here will spot the cars somewhere at a race meeting. I'll keep an eye out locally for you, Shropshire (or at least some parts of it) not far from here.
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slimer
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sorry to here that mate my mate i work for had his garage done over saturday nicked his tools all snap on , britool etc and smashed up 5 customers cars and nicked the stereos out of others so untill insurance pay up so i am now bloody unemployed again bastards
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stealthstylz
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If he knows the banger racer find out where he lives and torch his car/cars.
Matt
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Rotten, put police on all meetings, no race without a V5 and a receipt, thieving cnuts!
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If he knows the banger racer find out where he lives and torch his car/cars. Matt don't mess about. House.
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sad news -although the price of scrap means iit not neccessarily banger racers
id definately post a guard on the compound - but be careful - pikies tend to turn up mob-handed
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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dexter
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its allright saying no v5 no race but most cars for racing are given to drivers and v5's have been lost! also if you have a v5 for say a mk2 granada,go to the meeting,race it because you had the log book nick another one and use the same logbook as before.the officials cant take the logbooks from drivers because legaly to weigh in or scrap a car you need a logbook to do so(although not all places do). i had a mk1 granada nicked last year while i was in the middle of moving from wolverhampton to lincoln, i was gutted big time but since found out that it was striped for its parts,most the spares for my mk2 were in it so they had them aswell, it was then sold to a banger racer who in turn sold it on to another and sold on again to another and the poor bloke who ended up with it didnt know it had been nicked! but on the banger racing chat forum when i put it on there all i got was pikies took it,which yes was a reasonable answer and if i had not found out what i know now i would have assumed it was.but its not just pikies stealing stuff for scrap everyones at it,theres massive ques down weigh bridge every saturday morning and not just transits and lorries,ive seen small trailers,estates and roofracks piled up with odd bits of scrap. remember slander is a serious accusation,yes it maybe banger boys but don't rule out pikies ect after a bit of money off what was scrap to them!
p.s. i used to race bangers a few years ago and i never stole/used a stolen car in the 6 years i raced!!!!!!!!
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keep ur granny alive simply fantastic not moulded plastic
granadas need homes too you know
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impmann
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I'm not ruling out pikies. However, in view of the remote location, the fact that this theiving swine does know about it's location and the cars (long story) and that he is known for doing this (and has previous convictions), it doesn't take a rocket scientist does it. There was also some agricultrual machinery stored next to the cars that 1) weighs more and 2) is easier to weigh in due to no log books/interiors to dispose of etc, so I think we can rule that out.
I accept what you say about legislation - however, howabout having a rule whereby anyone convicted of car theft cannot race? Thats fair IMHO. Why is supplying proof of ownership so difficult? Not much to ask- receipts etc. How about making the classes where rare cars are raced more difficult to enter - ie V5s, databases of stolen cars, allowing Police involvement/checking at races.
Currently banger racing is a closed shop and the moment anyone mentions wrong doing, accusations of slander and whathaveyou get thrown around. I'm not slandering anyone, as I have not mentioned any names. The threats of physical violence are the ones I worry about.... If the sport was more open, was more legislated and showed more active discouragement for these theives, then perhaps the finger pointing would stop.
I used to really enjoy the bangers and the stock cars years ago, but frankly having had so much first hand experience of the dark side of the sport, I now don't enjoy it. I know that in general, banger racers are legitimate, decent folks (I used to share a yard with some) but the fact remains that there are some ruining the sport for the good guys.
Its about time the head-burying-in-the-sand done by the governing body stops, the excuses stop and some proper legislation comes into force to stop these theiving arses from wrecking other people's lives.
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Youve had threats of physical violence? Oh dear, thats not good!
Its safe to say the cars have definately been taken for banger racing, if not by a banger driver directly, by a scrap dealer who knows a banger driver who will buy them for double the scrap money.
Have you got any pictures of the stolen cars?
I'm very sorry about whats happned, ive fought the corner for banger racing on similar threads on this forum several times in the past. When stuff like this happens it really puts the sport in a very bad light. Remember its only the minority who nick cars to race, and these people are a total disgrace to the sport.
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Last Edit: Jan 7, 2008 21:50:26 GMT by Lankytim
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impmann
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I haven't got any pics but I'll ask my friend if he has. I know that these holes are the minority. And tbh all the banger community we've spoken to have been very supportive so far.
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1964 Hillman Imp 1976 Hillman Imp 1967 Hillman Imp (And a few projects dotted around the country)
Just cos something is good for you doesn't mean its good for everyone - for example Marmite does not make good Dog Food.
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Just because theres signs of hiab marks on it, it does'nt mean its banger racers, anyone in the world can own a hiab so why just because of the marks has it got to be a banger racer!.
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^ logic. Pretty simple really.
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Sorry to hear about this. a few years ago a mate had his car trailer stolen, reported it to the Police and insurance company, and again nothing further happened, it was spotted at a banger race meeting and some discreet enquiries made!! They were advised that the people with the trailer now were not very nice people and "to walk away and forget it!" Police informed but the trailer was never recovered. Bummer
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Just because theres signs of hiab marks on it, it does'nt mean its banger racers, anyone in the world can own a hiab so why just because of the marks has it got to be a banger racer!. True, but lets be totally honest about the situation. 2 prime big bangers have gone missing using a hiab. No way of proving the reason for taking them for sure but the pointers are there.
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Last Edit: Jan 7, 2008 21:54:31 GMT by Lankytim
1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.
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dexter
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Jan 14, 2008 15:59:49 GMT
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I'm not ruling out pikies. However, in view of the remote location, the fact that this theiving swine does know about it's location and the cars (long story) and that he is known for doing this (and has previous convictions), it doesn't take a rocket scientist does it. There was also some agricultrual machinery stored next to the cars that 1) weighs more and 2) is easier to weigh in due to no log books/interiors to dispose of etc, so I think we can rule that out. I accept what you say about legislation - however, howabout having a rule whereby anyone convicted of car theft cannot race? Thats fair IMHO. Why is supplying proof of ownership so difficult? Not much to ask- receipts etc. How about making the classes where rare cars are raced more difficult to enter - ie V5s, databases of stolen cars, allowing Police involvement/checking at races. Currently banger racing is a closed shop and the moment anyone mentions wrong doing, accusations of slander and whathaveyou get thrown around. I'm not slandering anyone, as I have not mentioned any names. The threats of physical violence are the ones I worry about.... If the sport was more open, was more legislated and showed more active discouragement for these theives, then perhaps the finger pointing would stop. I used to really enjoy the bangers and the stock cars years ago, but frankly having had so much first hand experience of the dark side of the sport, I now don't enjoy it. I know that in general, banger racers are legitimate, decent folks (I used to share a yard with some) but the fact remains that there are some ruining the sport for the good guys. Its about time the head-burying-in-the-sand done by the governing body stops, the excuses stop and some proper legislation comes into force to stop these theiving arses from wrecking other people's lives. you could try contacting the o.r.c. (oval racing council) about the matter as there the main govening body that covers oval racing including bangers,but not all tracks are in the o.r.c. and have no say in the rules at these tracks,but if the o.r.c. tracks started clamping down on it these non o.r.c. tracks may follow suite. ill see if i have an old racing licence lying around and if theres a contact number/email address in it, its the only way to do it I'm affraid tracks won't do it off there own backs unless the governing body makes them. if you want to start a compain about this theres plenty of people on here who would be involved(me included).
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keep ur granny alive simply fantastic not moulded plastic
granadas need homes too you know
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Jan 14, 2008 17:34:35 GMT
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I'm not ruling out pikies. However, in view of the remote location, the fact that this theiving swine does know about it's location and the cars (long story) and that he is known for doing this (and has previous convictions), it doesn't take a rocket scientist does it. There was also some agricultrual machinery stored next to the cars that 1) weighs more and 2) is easier to weigh in due to no log books/interiors to dispose of etc, so I think we can rule that out. I accept what you say about legislation - however, howabout having a rule whereby anyone convicted of car theft cannot race? Thats fair IMHO. Why is supplying proof of ownership so difficult? Not much to ask- receipts etc. How about making the classes where rare cars are raced more difficult to enter - ie V5s, databases of stolen cars, allowing Police involvement/checking at races. Currently banger racing is a closed shop and the moment anyone mentions wrong doing, accusations of slander and whathaveyou get thrown around. I'm not slandering anyone, as I have not mentioned any names. The threats of physical violence are the ones I worry about.... If the sport was more open, was more legislated and showed more active discouragement for these theives, then perhaps the finger pointing would stop. I used to really enjoy the bangers and the stock cars years ago, but frankly having had so much first hand experience of the dark side of the sport, I now don't enjoy it. I know that in general, banger racers are legitimate, decent folks (I used to share a yard with some) but the fact remains that there are some ruining the sport for the good guys. Its about time the head-burying-in-the-sand done by the governing body stops, the excuses stop and some proper legislation comes into force to stop these theiving arses from wrecking other people's lives. if you are certain who it is, why not name and shame him so we can all beware
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Jan 14, 2008 17:48:00 GMT
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Just because theres signs of hiab marks on it, it does'nt mean its banger racers, anyone in the world can own a hiab so why just because of the marks has it got to be a banger racer!. Read all of the info not just the title and first paragraph, and you'll see why it looks like a dodgy banger racer.
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