Seth
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I drive "free tax" cars because I like them and have done so since before it came in. I remember getting the rebate on the outstanding months on my Oxford Obviously its an advantage to get a free tax example if the car in question was made both sides of the cut-off but then the older ones usually look cooler ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Driving cars of that age, I probably save more money in insurance than with the tax anyway.
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Mr. AJ
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I believe that I shouldn't have to pay 110 pound a year, for a vehicle I use only at weekends. What if you drive a modern car only at weekends ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Or a car made either side of the cut-off date... One made the final year, one made the first year after the cut-off date. Driven at the exact same time for the exact same mileage, Why should one deserve free tax and the other have to pay - If your reason for the right to free tax being because its only driven at weekends. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2008 20:46:25 GMT by Mr. AJ
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some of my cars are tax free and some are not , it is not fair to some and great for others, personally i would rather have the tax disc scraped and the tax/money put on to the cost of petrol, that way the more you use your car the more you pay, and if you only use it at weekends then you will pay less, we then should have mot discs and insurance discs in the windows and the numberplate related to your driving license, make it difficult for people like my brother to drive without them and it is fair on us all, some might not agree with this but the only thing this government has yet to take of us is our opinion
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1963 Hilman super minx 1963 Moggy Minor Montego estate HL Morgan kit car and 1 wife 6 kids lots of debts am i happy oh curse word YES
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I do, its the word "Excise" , as in HM customs and... It means TAX
and yes, the historic vehicle class is currently rated at NIL, or free tax.
edit... eh? where's the post I was quoting gone?
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Colman is right about one point. While some of us rack up silly mileages in our classics, others contribute to the average 900 miles per year per classic. If you've got a garage full of cars that you don't drive very often, I can see how the concession is a real boon and yes, I am grateful for it.
However, I'm quite happy paying for the roads that I use - I don't actively seek out "historic vehicles" and my Rover P6B only qualified because I really wanted a Series 1 (pre-1971). With that, it drank so much fuel that saving a couple of hundred a year on tax paled into insignificance anyway!
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Free Road Tax??goaferboy
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I pay quite a bit for the buggys insurance so not having to pay tax is a godsend!
I suppose you could say that you can only drive one car at a time so paying more tax is unfair. 1 car being driven at one time=1 cars worth wear and tear to the road=1 dose of pollution=1 lot of road tax.
And I still think that its not "free tax" as the act of taxing someone is the government or similar taking money or something of monetary value off of an individual or business. If your not paying money, then your not being taxed.
This is a bit of a pointless debate since it doesn't change anything. Doesn't stop it from being quite interesting though!
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Rich G
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As VIP says, it's Vehicle Excise Duty, it hasn't been Road Fund Licence since Maggie was at the helm!
Some of you may be too young to remember how the Historic tax class came about. The gubberment had this proposal for continuous taxation of all vehicles whether they were on the road being used or a pile of parts in your shed. As can be expected there was a bit of an outcry from the historic car sector (can you imagine how much somewhere like Beaulieu would be paying a year?) including a lot of their own side in the House of Lords. The compromise was the Historic tax class. Originally it was a rolling 25 years old exemption, until Dear Prudence decided that was going to cost him too much money and put the brakes on that in 1998.
Personally I think it's the worst thing that has happened to those who own old cars because we are easily identified and can be seen as having some tax "advantage" over euroboxdom and it lays us wide open to the potential for restricions on use. Have you seen some of the restrictions that are placed on "historic" cars in Europe?
I think we should be paying VED like all the "moderns" as if we pay the same as them then there is no way we can be told when and where we can drive our cars. As for the level of VED, I would be happy to pay the same as the lower capacity bracket which comes in at around £110 a year.
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I like the way they ask if you'd like 6 months or 12 months sir ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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The gubberment had this proposal for continuous taxation of all vehicles whether they were on the road being used or a pile of parts in your shed. ..... The compromise was the Historic tax class. How/why is this a compromise? if they didn't follow up on taxing off-the-road cars why would they need to 'compromise' by offering free tax on over 25s?
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Rich G
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Sorry Jim, didn't explain that too well.
The original proposal (this was from Major's Tory government) was that all vehicles had to be taxed all the time whether they were used or not. The result was a huge protest by the classic car movement and lots of other motoring enthusiasts. The Government, already quite unpopular by then and having bad memories of the Poll Tax riots, figured this could be a potential election loser so they backed down a bit and invented SORN. In an attempt to woo the classic movement back onside they devised the Historic class with the rolling 25 year exemption. Result: classic owners happy - but then come the next election they go and vote for Tony B-liar and Nu Labia anyway.
Now SORN is something that will need watching, apart from the fact that with computerisation it's made it even easier to get a fine in the post with very little effort from the revenue. There was to be no charge to register your vehicle off road at the time of introduction of SORN and it has been that way since, so far. Robber Brown (aka Stealth-Taxes-R-Us) has already had one go at introducing an "adminsitration" charge for declaring SORN but it never got past the green paper stage. No doubt with the escalatiing cost of Afghanistan et al he'll probably have another go at it again soon.
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Llewellyn
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Personally i prefer to have a tax at a yearly flat rate (like now), rather than to see yet more tax go onto fuel. Also, i'd rather pay money on tax than to have restrictions put on when i can use my historic vehicles. When both my cars are up and running, i will only have two cars for all year round My mk1 Mini Cooper and my 57 Morgan 4/4, i don't want restirctions on when and how often i can use these cars Said my bit ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Interesting topic. My van sits at the side of the road probably 48 weeks of the year, its £180 to tax it and i wish it was tax exempt (There, I said it!!). Road fund licence doesn't in any way go towards our roads upkeep, (at least not much of it) It's just another way for gordon and his tosser mates to claw back all the money they've wasted over the last ten years! Fuel duty is horrendous, but that is also used for the above! Scrapping tax, and adding it to the fuel duty would probably be the best way of evening up the 'you use your car more than I do' and 'you drive a gas guzzler' argument, and there would be no way for the scrotes to dodge that! I think it's safe to say (after reading the paper today) that the loonies in government will continue to come up with harebrained schemes that fleece the driver and are completely unworkable. Time to get a horse and cart and plod on up the motorway methinks!!! Rant over
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I like the way they ask if you'd like 6 months or 12 months sir ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Slightly off topic but our Clio dci costs £35 a year to tax, and you can only do it for a year, because I automatically asked for 6 months.
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Last Edit: Mar 5, 2008 19:55:24 GMT by paulmi16
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Interesting stuff...good to know what you guys think!
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