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This is kinda branching out from another thread where a slightly blurred area of not quite retro (IMO) and not quite Max Power came together to form a fairly respectiable representation of a Mk1 VW Polo. retrorides.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&thread=1078737582&action=display&start=521So the question has to be what is Max and what is Retro? I'll start. [glow=gold,3,000]Retro[/glow] - Not that common (that includes special Escorts but not XR3's or RS Turbos, unless maybe a standard series 1 RST) - Extra body mouldings are a little bit off (unless they were OEM or included on the works rally car) - Big HiFI's (maybe I speak for myself here - Retro types are interested in music but do not need the stereo to be loud enough for it to be heard from a distance of 50 foot and can cope without if the original spec didn't provide one) [glow=grey,1,000]Max[/glow] - The original wheels simply cannot remain on the car and they must be change for something at least 15" - You as a Maxer aspire to Scooby ownership even if you can only afford an old, non-turbo, 'Sport' model. - As a maxer you could see yourself investing in a device (oh Lord why has this not been invented yet) which generated a dump-valve mimicking whooshing sound as you change gear in your 1.0 litre 3 cylinder Vauxhall Corsa. Add to the lists - for entertainment purposes only - I can't think of any other use for this drivel.
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cant think of anymore for the retro bit at the mo.
max
winding your seat back so its nealy horizontal,then hanging onto the steering wheel so you can see while you rev the tits of the affore mentioned corsa,trying to atract the attention of the little orange faced scally in a k(r)appa tracksuit,who's wearing cheap,untasteful argos jewellry,while not wearing a setbelt,cos it wont go round your enormous puffa jacket,with your cap on back to front,listening to plinky plinky rave sh*te so loud all it sounds like is feedback. tell me if I'm wrong!!! ;D ;D ;D
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HytestA
Part of things
Cant beat a good bit of rubbing :D
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- The original wheels simply cannot remain on the car and they must be change for something at least 15" I did that on my Polo But I also had the sense to keep all the original wheels, and not sell them to get the latest line of neon glow screenwashers and matching caps for all my mates to wear whilst riding in the back... looking 'ard
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Max
- I'm hinkin of gettin a fiat punto mk1 1.6. Is there any point in tuning to give a bit more.
Retro
- that look is soooo right on an estate.its what inspired me to buy my benz
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Retro doesn't really have anything to do with age, its a useful way of grouping cars together under a banner,.. as discussed (a number of times) previously how are you going to easily classify a scene that considers this : and this : as all part of the same thing. Questionable taste is one thing, sometimes we don't agree with how cars are modified, for example I hate "race-look" cars (either its a race car or its not, it can't look like one). However you can't blanket say that "eyebrow spoilers are rubbish and.or 'Max Power'" some cars really rockin that look : Also the term "Max Power" as applied to the poorly modified Corsa etc. you see around city centres is really rather insulting to the people that make the real 'Max Power' style cars who spend a lot of time, effort and skill to achieve a look that is appealing to them. In the same way as sticking white walls on red steels doesn't make your car a hot rod, sticking on a bunch of badly fitting bodykit from Halfords doesn't make your car a "Max Power" car. Just because something isn't to your taste is no reason to belittle the skill and effort thats gone into it. I frankly find Kit based replicas of cars (including Cobras and GT40s) ridiculous, but I'd never dare insult those that do it because its what they choose to do. So where is the line between "max" and retro. Personal taste. If a car isn't to your personal taste then so be it, if the owner would rather be part of this whole retro/classics scene then thats great by me.
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In your opinion is this Retro : Lots of pointless junk and accessories on it, its a late model.
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For me, personally, that polo is closer to the 'Max Power' brigade than 'Retro'. Yes it does have the obligatory roof rack and black wheels with polished rims but then again...the wheels look too large a diameter for the car, it has one of those stick-on chrome trims around the door handle, what appears to be a chrome fuel filler cap and over-the-top bumper/splitter combination.
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Nota Bene: when I use the term 'max power' i mean chavs in mcdonalds car park, I recognise the work put into a lot of the cars in the magazine and that the body work done is quite often to the same extent as a lot of the Rodding community. For me, the term applies to modifications that seem out of place or garish on the car and have no practical purpose.
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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there is a simple answer to this;
Maxy P = Chav
Retro = Cool
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"Living on dreams & Custard Creams"
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Retro -
I didn't really mean for it to be that complicated.
In reality Maxers' and Retroists' are pretty much one in the same thing.
I do however think the point about one mans metal being another mans starting point for a range of sarcastic endeerment or fun-poking is relevant in both directions and the Maxer's probably have the same posts (well the ones who can write at least) talking about our old cars with opinions such as a complete adversion to manually regulated windows for example.
Don't take it too seriously -
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I do however think the point about one mans metal being another mans starting point for a range of sarcastic endeerment or fun-poking is relevant in both directions and the Maxer's probably have the same posts (well the ones who can write at least) talking about our old cars with opinions such as a complete adversion to manually regulated windows for example. ah but thats why we are better than those people,.. because we don't do the same back. At the top end of these things we're all the same, we've got things to show them, and they have thing to show us. Top end Max stuff has some brilliant fabrication work on it. I just think that trying to pin down "retro" or at least "retro" in terms of this forum is pretty much impossible. As long as people are enthusastic enough to join and chat about interesting cars, that is great. Although our general focus is towards older cars. My dream is that one day someone with a poorly build maxed up motor will come in here, be friendly, chat to us lot, and decide to do something different with their car, or buy an older car and do something interesting with that
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Rob
Posted a lot
You know, for kids!
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Also the term "Max Power" as applied to the poorly modified Corsa etc. you see around city centres is really rather insulting to the people that make the real 'Max Power' style cars who spend a lot of time, effort and skill to achieve a look that is appealing to them. In the same way as sticking white walls on red steels doesn't make your car a hot rod, sticking on a bunch of badly fitting bodykit from Halfords doesn't make your car a "Max Power" car. Just because something isn't to your taste is no reason to belittle the skill and effort thats gone into it yup - all the way... max power is used a lot to describe cheapo chavved up cars... i live in doncaster so I'm lucky (?!) to have what used to be the custom car show (now the Ripspeed car show) close by... there is more plastic in this place than in Jordan but some of the engineering is fantastic... that 8 foot spoiler aint gonna make your car go faster sonny but hell popping ANOTHER XR3i engine in the back will ! ! ;D i think its more the max power 'culture' that is harming... but theres also the point that these kids would like a good car but aint got the money to buy what we would consider a modern classic - never mind the modding / insurance etc...
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Retro
- Classic car insurance
Max
- Performance Direct, 6 points, 3 claims, no NCB.
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personally i just love cars - i try not to get into the pidgeon hole 'antics' There are cars some would say are retro that i don't like, and some that many would call max power jobs that i appreciateto me retro is an older car (70's/early 80's) which is kept so that much of it looks as if its how the manufacturer intended. Many mods are subtle etc. Lowering, wheels etc naturally allowed for. Retro rally/race inspired vehicles are allowed, welcomed, and admired Max Power cars often seem to be all show and no go, and its this that frustrates me. I hate all the stick on bodykits. kids could easily afford a retro car, my golf cost me £200 - i just don't think they know its out there unless they are brought up that way. You don't see retro cars on tv etc, but you do all the max power job. personally - i blame the parents! ;D
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See its threads like this that get me confused, soon I will be owning a 16-year-old car, which will take influences from both the Retro Scene and the Max Scene, so because my car might have wheels that are a couple of inches bigger than the standard steelies or it might have smoked rear lights, does this mean I will instantly be shunned from the whole Retro scene, despite the fact that the car is nearly as old as me, will not include any tasteless mods (imo) and a fart-box. But on the other hand, because my car will have Vauxhall bumpers and not a lot else done to the bodywork does this also mean i'll be banned from attending cruises etc? People do there car how they want it, they don't do mods to fall into certain catergorys if we dids this it would be way to restrictive, it would be like saying "I like those wheels and I know they suit my car.... but they're not retro enough, I can't have them!" I would hope this never crosses anyones mind, its up to you what Car you on and what you do to it!
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I think you have nothing to fear as far as I'm concerned. I believe Retro describes the niche between Maxed' cars and proper classic cars. Retro is for those that don't fit into either. So it's classic if you don't modify it in any way and Retro if you modify but avoid making it look vastly different to what was intended by the manufacturer. Maybe it might be easier to say that Retro is a modified car which isn't pretending to be something it isn't.
Is that fair?
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My cars going to be predending to be an SR. ;D
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Novaload
Sounds a bit Maxi
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See I don't like this pigeon holing either, since cars don't need to have rigidly kept to specs, so the lines are able to blur. There are a lot of styles that come under retro. Most of the mods I've ever used have been race inspired or have come from old custom lorries, for example chequerplate may be racey and also looks good on Land Rovers, but it was mainly used originally by lorry drivers to adorn slippery surfaces on their rigs that they might have to walk on to connect/disconnet trailers or do basic maintenance, I remember a lot of nicely kept lorries from when I was a kid that used polished up chequerplate as well as the big chromed up stack exhausts, chrome bull bars and light bars, spotlights and the like, and it's a look I still love on commercial vehicles, but it's also a thing I've done to Imps, because it not only looks good but in a rally car a non-slippery floor surfacing is a very practical thing, especially when you're getting in/out with wet or muddy boots on. Just a shame few lorries are kept with such pride now, plus few of them have steel bumpers, mirrors, and stack exhausts to polish up anymore. But anyway, I've nothing against Euro look cars, or more modern inspired Golfs, Polos, Esorts etc with TASTEFUL bodywork mods, wheels that might well be big but are not change for the sake of change, really do suit the car, and are not ruining the suspension set up or anything, just it's not really the look I'd go for. And I do understand that in Max Power and the like there are a lot of cars that have genuinely had a lot of time, money, care and effort put into them to make them look like that, the problem is that so many neds try to replicate those looks and end up doing some tasteless and in extreme cases dangerous things, eg the ned on ebay with the 1 litre "XR2" (sure mate! ) who'se big wheels have ruined the camber and are scrubbing the tyres to death it seems, and who'se The Fast and The Furious driving 'style' (again, sure, that's what it is! ) have damaged the rear brakes and suspension more than likely until the car is definately heading for an accident through something at the back going horribly wrong, yet he sells it as if it's in great condition and only needs a good polish. Never seen the point in HUGE stereos either. I like music too (different kind of music right enough but still,) but I can enjoy when I'm driving at a decent volume, I listen to it louder in the house but I wouldn't really be able to concentrate on my driving at that volume. I'm sure they can't drive that well with it either, so why they insist on doing it is beyond me, it can't be that enjoyable to listen too, the sound quality is really bad at that volume since they buy really cheap speakers, expecting that just because they're enormous and there's several thousand of them in the car that it's going to sound better, when a small quantity of good sound system would do the job better.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Huzey
Part of things
Supercharged Eunos!
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by the way.. my polo is MK2, not MK1, i respect my car as a car and a unique one at that, people who have seen my car for real will respect how clean and "subtle" it is, you lot may not think that but its the way i c my car...... MAX = 20" wheels, 4 x 12" subs, MOTORSPORT sunstrip, 6.5" Exhaust on a 1.2. My car is NOT max! it mite not be Retro enough for you, but hay!?
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MK2 Polo - MK1 Eunos - MK2 MX5
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Just because something isn't to your taste is no reason to belittle the skill and effort thats gone into it. I frankly find Kit based replicas of cars (including Cobras and GT40s) ridiculous, but I'd never dare insult those that do it because its what they choose to do. Do you find Lotus Seven replicas rediculous? As you said, you find replicas rediculous, but some people really can tell the difference between a Dax cobra and a Pilgrim Sumo (although I cant : . Adam
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1997 TVR Chimaera 2009 Westfield Megabusa
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