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Dec 28, 2004 16:28:06 GMT
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I thought it was illegal in this country to sell a V5 document and VIN plate. Can somebody confirm if this is that case? If you scrap a car you're supposed to return the V5 to the DVLA aren't you?
So why is some dodgy b****** selling a V5 and VIN plate for a 1275GT on ebay? The only reason I can see is for somebody to "ring" a stolen car. The seller claims that it is for "historical interest", I will decline to comment on that knowing this countries libel and slander laws. However if it is being sold in all innocence I would have thought that it was unwise given the recent publicity surrounding the sale of stolen Minis and parts on ebay. Even so, if it is being sold in all innocence why is the starting price 99 quid, as a historical curio it surely isn't worth so much?
He's fairly local to me so if it is illegal I'm going to report it to our local plod.
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Dec 28, 2004 16:33:30 GMT
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Does sound odd! I know of an Imp that was for sale on Ebay that had an earlier registation then it should of had. It looked like the ID had been changed to make it tax exempt.
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BS Nymph Singer Chamois Coupe Series 3 Landy
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Dec 28, 2004 16:37:45 GMT
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u can use it for a kit car
like if u scrap a sierra etc use the reg for yer kit but selling it
hmm sounds dodgy
but they come up on ebay maybe mailing dvla a link might get them asking questions ;D
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Dec 28, 2004 16:40:27 GMT
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turning a 1100 clubby saloon into a 1275GT for very little cash probably. i've got the V5 and all plates for a '66 mk1 mini but aint got the nerve to flog 'em on.
selling tax exempt mini V5s is pretty common but its kept quiet by most.
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Dec 28, 2004 16:41:44 GMT
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If they sell it in the knowledge that it may be used to commit an offence, then that is (a) in contravention of eBay policy and (b) an offence in itself.
I would suggest you contact eBay about it. And the Plod.
Oh and send the seller a sh1t load of hassling questions. Guaranteed they'll back down and pull it from sale! ;D
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Legal AdviceBenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
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Dec 28, 2004 17:23:23 GMT
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We got offered a V5 for a Rover P6 by this old guy the other week - he said it was a tax-exempt one, and was wondering whether ours wasn't (presumably so that we could transfer the details and get tax-exempt) We told him that the P6 was long dead, but we wouldn't have done it anyway - sounded a bit too dodgy for our liking . I must say it left us scratching our heads as to the legality of it too.
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racer86
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'72 BMW 2002 / '72 Alpine A110 Gordini
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Dec 28, 2004 17:34:09 GMT
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yeah but if you are starting a clubby project from nothing but a bare shell then surely this is ok as the scrapped car is being rebuilt. its no different to re-shelling. I'm sure there is a loop hole some where that could get you in trouble for it and its a bit steep at £99 but you cant tell me that you have never bent the rules a bit?
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Dec 28, 2004 17:54:38 GMT
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You hear a lot of it in the Ford scene too. People mainly buy them to get tax exempt ''status'' in general I think esp if thier car is a standard model where the base/L/GL etc makes no real difference.
The most worrying/annoying thing for me though is that people buy/sell ID's & then sometimes the same people complain because cars are being stolen for this ID to go on. You don't know who you are selling the ID to & where it will end up 99% of the time.
It's wandering off subject slightly, but if there wasn't ID avaliable, cars wouldn't be stolen for the ID to go on...... SIMPLE.
Small rant over ;D
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Dec 28, 2004 17:58:46 GMT
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I'm sure Ebay would want to check out anyone selling car V5s. Best to let them know.
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BS Nymph Singer Chamois Coupe Series 3 Landy
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racer86
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Dec 28, 2004 18:25:22 GMT
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so the stolen cars thing is a bit iffy but its prob being sold by an enthusiast and will be bought by an enthusiast its all part of keeping old cars alive else it would be another 1275 Gt off the road. ok so ill look stupid if it does end up on a stolen car and I'm sure id feel different if it was my car that was stolen but loads of people change plates and vins to get tax exemption or to complete their dream replica, you see it all the time escort mexico's, cooper s, sunbeams all sorts i don't think its worth getting some poor bloke kicked off Ebay and arrested for.
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Dec 28, 2004 18:35:32 GMT
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i have known many of people to get these, most common reasons are to lower the tax/insurance bracket(say the engines smaller then it is) or to get it tax exempt. personally i would never do this but there is a business for them and its a big one
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Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups
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Dec 28, 2004 19:50:43 GMT
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I've reported the item to ebay and sent the seller a friendly warning, on the assumption that he doesn't know that what he is doing is illegal.
All the justifications I have heard for this practice are also illegal. Getting tax exemption for a vehicle which is not old enough is fraud. Registering a kit car under the details of anything other than the donor car is also illegal.
Basically if you already have a legitimate 1275GT why would you need the V5 and VIN from another? If you don't have the V5 then BMHI could provide a heritage certificate based on the chassis number, this an a legitimate receipt from the previous owner would be enough for the DVLA to issue a replacement V5. Of course if you have a 1275GT, but don't have a legitimate right to a replacement V5 then nor do you have a legitimate right to keep the car. Simple really.
If anyone is willing to pay £99 then they want it for much more than just it's value as a historical curio.
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Dec 28, 2004 20:42:57 GMT
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A mate of mine bought an unfinished Reliant engined trike that had never been registered..... he bought another reliant for £50 and used the chassis/reg number of that..... bit naughty but it was taxed, MOT'd and insured, and that number was tracable to him if he had an accident ect....... plus he wasn't trying to rip anyone off.....
On a similar subject, what about the DVLA 'points' system? Would you really tell them you'd swapped an axle/steering ect??
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Dec 28, 2004 20:48:45 GMT
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It's all well and good until someone loses an eye, as they say.... Over on the Beemer forum there was a tale of woe like this recently...
Dude bought a sweet 325i m-sport cabrio. Did the smart thing and had it hpi'd first. All checked out so he was happy and handed over some serious buck-age. A few months later some local curse word did his car over so bad he had no option but to make a claim. After all that's what it's there for. So the insurance assesor comes round, only to tell him that his car's a complete ringer, and that the vin & logbook had been flogged on the sly. One gutted bloke who lost his car, the cash and the substantial cost of his insurance in one fell swoop.
That's why it's dodgy as!!! You have been warned!
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Dec 28, 2004 22:22:50 GMT
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Just got a reply to my polite email. Told me to "get curse word". So I've just told him I'll be reporting him to the Police in the morning. Pretty easy since I work within spitting distance of West Yorkshire Police HQ and he lives in West Yorkshire.
If I'd got a polite reply that explained he was selling it in all innocence I'd have left it at that...
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Dec 28, 2004 22:29:09 GMT
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Kid him on that you are a copper, and make up all sorts of laws and fake quotes about the laws on these things, that'll give the tosser a heart attack! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Dec 28, 2004 22:34:15 GMT
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HA HA!
Don't expect eBay to be too forthcoming with his info...Our local rag had some interesting tales in of late... Bloke drove his Vectra to the station & parked. Local crim came & nicked his bodykit. Bloke bought new bodykit. Crim struck again. Bloke saw said 'kit on eBay being sold by an accredited "powerseller". Bloke contacted local police and was politely told where to go. They've got better things to do, like sitting on their fat arses. Oddly enough when the paper got involved eBay and the Feds took some action, and the crim got banged up!
A swift letter to the West Yorkshire Gazette should do the trick.... ;D
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Dec 28, 2004 22:38:07 GMT
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Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups
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Dec 28, 2004 22:49:54 GMT
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just been poking about abit more and found a few of these sellers are selling a few logbooks. now whats the chances of them scrapping a load of cars all at once and keeping the papers? very unlikely WE NEED WATCHDOG ON THE CASE
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Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups
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Dec 28, 2004 23:58:22 GMT
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Now when the title contains the words "TAX EXEMPT" in it, and of course there's no sign of the car it came out of, or of any sort of DVLA approval of this sort of thing, are we expected to believe that this is all above board, and that these will end up in the hands of collectors, not dodgy b*stards who just want cheap road tax? I want tax exemption too I'm fed up of the DVLA on my back for relatively minor heinous crimes like owning a classic car and trying to re-register one a few years back (never again, awkward b*stards the lot of them! ) I wouldn't get involved in this sort of thing, where they'd actually have a good justification to nick you, since it's bloody fraud.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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