markbognor
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We have a few just sprung up round our way. I have a theory this may go hand in had with a clean/legal numberplate clampdown, anyone got any experience of this happening in other areas?
Presumably they can also be used to check tax/insurance details for each car that passes?
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I'm pretty sure that "average speed" speed-traps use ANPR to identify the car at different points along the road. I think also that they are automated in sending out the fines to the registered keeper... I might be wrong here though.
As for whether they check tax and insurance... not sure. I think when the police use their ANPR systems in patrol cars they check tax / insurance through the PNC database. I don't know whether speed traps are hooked up to this database or whether they just use the plate recognition to identify the car on the DVLA database.
With the government's love of data-sharing (like sharing the bank details and personal details of 25 million child benefit claimants with... well.. any Tom Dick or Harry who finds the discs)... it wouldn't surprise me if they will be able to look up all of this info, if they can't already.
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Last Edit: Jan 7, 2008 11:39:33 GMT by BenzBoy
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As an IT guy I can't see how they can't! But then we're talking government and theres a lot of complications in what you can and can't do in govt. For example if a stolen car went through ANPR you'd think the cops could access that info to track and maybe even recover it. But they can't.
I can't see any objection to either ANPR or avg speed cameras. Neither is an adequate replacement for traffic cops and the approach is flawed in a number of ways but a lot of the issues with single point speed cameras are nicely done away with using SPECs or similar in place of the old skool Gatso and Truvelo units.
Anyway, to answer your Q - you would need ot check with your local constabulary but certainly the ones we have here do not have insurance and MOT checking facilities.
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Been stopped 4 times in the last 4 weeks by ANPR touting Police cars. Each time for allegedly 'No Insurance' quickly rectified cos I now keep a copy in the glove box. Each time they make a phone call then return ,humbly apologising. Car is on the Insurance list- curse word me off really. So yes- they can check MOT,Tax, Insurance and registered owner/keeper -in W Sussex anyway!
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bazzateer
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Been stopped 4 times in the last 4 weeks by ANPR touting Police cars. Each time for allegedly 'No Insurance' quickly rectified cos I now keep a copy in the glove box. Each time they make a phone call then return ,humbly apologising. Car is on the Insurance list- curse word me off really. So yes- they can check MOT,Tax, Insurance and registered owner/keeper -in W Sussex anyway! find out who's responsible for keeping the database up to date and write to them detailing your 4 stops in 4 weeks and requiring them to update the database accordingly or face legal action for harrassment or something similar.
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Have. And called twice. They sent me a copy of the database showing all my car numbers clearly included- now copied and left with (copied) Ins certificate -in the glovebox's. Expecting it to happen again shortly
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The average speed cameras DO use ANPR, but only for tracking your car along the route. Once it's sussed that you're speeding, the pictures are saved and then it's a manual job to issue the ticket. There's also no automatic checking of tax or insurance from the information. That's true for Nottingham (where they've liberally sprinkled the roads with them) as of middle of last year when I asked a friend in the force.
However I can see that the only obstacle is just a matter of linking one database with another so I wouldn't be surprised if in the very near future this facility was used.
I'm with AK on this one as well..... I get sick of the single-spot cameras being put in revenue-generating positions (i.e. dead straight road with a 50mph limit at the bottom of a hill rather than before dangerous corners or in town centres - why does the mansfield 'circuit' not have a single camera?) so an entire road being covered removes that gripe. It also leads to much smoother flowing traffic, without all the panic braking. I'll admit I'm often a 'driver in a hurry' and will speed up between Gatsos, but with the average speed checks I'll just cruise along at an indicated 32mph quite happily.
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misteralz
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Twith the average speed checks I'll just cruise along at an indicated 32mph quite happily. And therein lies the problem. You'll be watching your speedo more often than your surroundings in fear of getting done if you drift over for a bit. Then what? Even more random panic braking than when there's a camera up ahead as you have to drop below the speed limit to even out the average. Recently those things were put on the A90 between Scumdee and Perth during roadworks - even though both lanes remained open - and a usually fast-flowing, reasonably safe road became absolutely terrifying to drive due to the behaviour described above. And the Polish truckers, steaming though at 70 in what was a 40 limit.
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rysz
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I'm with AK on this one as well..... I get sick of the single-spot cameras being put in revenue-generating positions (i.e. dead straight road with a 50mph limit at the bottom of a hill rather than before dangerous corners or in town centres - why does the mansfield 'circuit' not have a single camera?) so an entire road being covered removes that gripe. It also leads to much smoother flowing traffic, without all the panic braking. I'll admit I'm often a 'driver in a hurry' and will speed up between Gatsos, but with the average speed checks I'll just cruise along at an indicated 32mph quite happily. Agreed, I got caught by a nasty revenue generator on Oxclose Lane in Nottingham, coming out of Arnold, over the hill, doing 47 in a 40 and he was parked behind the bend and right in the sun - there was no way of seeing him before I got flashed... Bear in mind that this is dual carriage way with a huge pavement on the left, and the only way that I would have been a risk to pedestrians, would be because the camera 'safety' van was parked right on the bl00dy pavement, thus forcing pedestrians into the road! It is madness!
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Just don't go through the second average speed cameras in the same lane as you went through the first one if you don't wanna watch your speed(o) although they CAN watch more than one lane at a time they were not tested doing so so they are legally restricted to one lane each, thats why you see them in pairs.
I saw this info on a an "avoid tickets" DVD my ol man got hold of ages ago, and we tested it in the work van up the M11 (no records kept of who was driving it when back then) and we never had any tickets sent back to the comapany for that stretch of road.
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And therein lies the problem. You'll be watching your speedo more often than your surroundings in fear of getting done if you drift over for a bit. Aaaah, but when driving along I'm quite aware of how fast I'm going.... especially in an older car, with the more obvious engine note. Even so just glancing at the speedo isn't dangerous, in fact you're more likely to 'glaze over' if you rigidly fix your eyes on the road, the human brain interprets moving edges rather than objects so your eyes are designed to move around to 'refresh' the image. Glacing down for 1/4 second every few hundred yards is not a problem. Just don't go through the second average speed cameras in the same lane as you went through the first one if you don't wanna watch your speed(o) although they CAN watch more than one lane at a time they were not tested doing so so they are legally restricted to one lane each, thats why you see them in pairs. I saw this info on a an "avoid tickets" DVD my ol man got hold of ages ago, and we tested it in the work van up the M11 (no records kept of who was driving it when back then) and we never had any tickets sent back to the comapany for that stretch of road. Apparently they're being upgraded (or may have already been done) and can take into account lane-changes.... not sure how many are the new type but I wouldn't risk it
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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"Watching the speedo all the time". I don't have to watch my speedo to maintain a steady pace. Most people are quite capable of driving safely and within the law, but most chose not to. You can't complain when they get caught.
I think the lane change thing is a legal constraint not a technical one.
nigelbickel - my understanding is that is your insurance company's responsibility to ensure that the data is sent to the law. Speak to them.
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Agree with Pillock. So much easier to keep a constant speed in a classic just by using sound as your guide. Modern cars sound no different between 60 and 90!
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As the recent "victim" of a mobile camera, I agree with the view that you can maintain speed without staring at the speedo. I just chose to maintain a speed above the limit on the day in question. My fault, can't do the time don't do the crime etc.
If the downside of the police being able to stop scrotes at the side of the road and impound the car on the spot if it's not kosher is that occasionally us law abiding motorists get our collars felt, I can live with that. And yes, it's happened to me too. The nice police lady (who was quite fit actually) let me go because she could see that the car had been taxed the week before.
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bxer
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And a heads up if you're in London, there's a lot of CCTV monitoring going on, especially in Camden. I've been done for a U turn, appealed and got away with going into a restricted road, and appealing being stopped on a bus stop for 2 minutes at 11pm.
If you get one of these nasty surprises in the post, always appeal, you've got nothing to lose, as the £60 for 14 days thing restarts if they do refuse your appeal.
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And a heads up if you're in London, there's a lot of CCTV monitoring going on, especially in Camden. I've been done for a U turn, appealed and got away with going into a restricted road, and appealing being stopped on a bus stop for 2 minutes at 11pm. If you get one of these nasty surprises in the post, always appeal, you've got nothing to lose, as the £60 for 14 days thing restarts if they do refuse your appeal. Plus the Gatsos in London are very small and very high up in the air so be very careful!
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