Ratchet
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The user formerly known as Thomas
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Jun 21, 2024 22:12:59 GMT
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as title, does anyone know of any reliable places that will make up some rubber brake hoses to a pattern? need a couple of short ones made, which are NLA and are a bit atypical in size and end fittings.
have tried a couple of places but they havent even replied to emails/messages which is just a little annoying...
Have found a lot of places that will do braided/stainless ones, but not many doing rubber, which i would prefer for mainly aesthetic reasons.
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Jun 22, 2024 11:11:51 GMT
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Any decent hydraulic hose place will make you some.
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andyborris
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Jun 22, 2024 13:00:57 GMT
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Just don't say the word "brake"! It scares them.
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zeberdee
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We have a local brake/clucth relign place that do this . Can make them in braid (Silver or OE look Black) or in rubber . Might be worth looking around if you have one local . This is ours . Had clutch & brake lines for cars & bikes of them . www.bondingandreline.co.uk/ |
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Ratchet
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The user formerly known as Thomas
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Jun 22, 2024 22:00:20 GMT
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I did think of asking the hydrualic guy whos frindly with one of my workmates, however the end fittings being unf, and slightly unusual may be an issue one is a standard reverse flare female type as seen on many US vehicles (I'm almost certain that i could find a replacment if i could get access to a fitment catalog with dimensions) the other is male one end with free spinning nut and female on the other end, but it also has an external bulkhead type thread on the female end.  will check that company out, also found another one to try phoning thats supposidly based close to me |
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Competition is the law of the jungle, but cooperation is the law of civilization.
1971 vw beetle 1200
1978 international loadstar 1700 4x4
1987 landrover 110
1994 Yamaha FZR600r
2010 honda CBF1000GT
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I did think of asking the hydrualic guy whos frindly with one of my workmates, however the end fittings being unf, and slightly unusual may be an issue one is a standard reverse flare female type as seen on many US vehicles (I'm almost certain that i could find a replacment if i could get access to a fitment catalog with dimensions) the other is male one end with free spinning nut and female on the other end, but it also has an external bulkhead type thread on the female end. will check that company out, also found another one to try phoning thats supposidly based close to me The local hydraulic places to me all carry Goodrich fittings, you might be surprised what they can make. |
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1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon
1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered!
1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Jun 26, 2024 11:07:19 GMT
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ChasR
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Just don't say the word "brake"! It scares them. This is very true. My mate who does hoses for cars refuses to do brake hoses point blank. He once repaired something for me as we had no other choice, short of paying a crazy amount of cash for the item (Merc W108 front caliper hose assembly for those wondering ; it's almost like a unionised hard line, with a built in bracket), but that was strictly a one off. I think its a legal reason or him simply not wanting to work on something so critical :i.e he could be taken to court if the hose failed and something happened to the customer. He doesn't calibrate gear, or is audited for anything to any standard. He's basically a guy in a shed. If he feels something is wrong, he'll investigate, but it won't be how the bigger firms operate, where they'd need to show proof of problem solving for audits ; i.e 5 Whys analysis, , Fishbone diagrams aka Ishikawas,  (Google Ford 8 Disciplines), a DFMEA and a PFMEA, Control plans, 6 Sigma Lean stuff etc. Even pipes aren't serialised, so if an issue occurs, it's a thumb in the air as to when he thought the problem came about. After all, he's just a 2 man band and has been for decades. Back to your question, I'd consider braided lines, but in black. I've done this on the M3. HEL make them, and they have stainless ends |
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It's actually quite easy to make braided lines in a shed, lots of "how to" videos on the web. I've just made some high pressure fuel lines and (surprisingly) they don't leak at all!
I'd recommend some alloy braided hose fitting jaws in a vice, don't need them for installing the fittings, but they do make it easier to get a straight cut on the hose.
Some suppliers offer free jaws after a certain level of spend.
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mk2cossie
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It's actually quite easy to make braided lines in a shed, lots of "how to" videos on the web. I've just made some high pressure fuel lines and (surprisingly) they don't leak at all! I'd recommend some alloy braided hose fitting jaws in a vice, don't need them for installing the fittings, but they do make it easier to get a straight cut on the hose. Some suppliers offer free jaws after a certain level of spend. Home made braided brake lines are technically an MOT fail is the only thing to be wary of (manual specifies compression fittings are not allowed for brake lines  ) |
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Home made braided brake lines are technically an MOT fail is the only thing to be wary of (manual specifies compression fittings are not allowed for brake lines ) That's interesting, aren't all braided lines compression fittings? Does this mean Goodridge & HEI lines won't pass a MOT? I'm not a fan of braided brake lines, I think there's no effective improvement over normal hoses and I've seen where the continual suspension flexing caused them to fail. |
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Last Edit: Jul 3, 2024 18:26:54 GMT by Rich
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jimi
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AFAIK a compression fitting uses an olive to seal to the pipe, braided brake lines are crimped fittings, not the same thing.
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mk2cossie
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AFAIK a compression fitting uses an olive to seal to the pipe, braided brake lines are crimped fittings, not the same thing. Correct. But home made braided lines, use compression fittings  |
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mk2cossie
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Home made braided brake lines are technically an MOT fail is the only thing to be wary of (manual specifies compression fittings are not allowed for brake lines ) That's interesting, aren't all braided lines compression fittings? Does this mean Goodridge & HEI lines won't pass a MOT? I'm not a fan of braided brake lines, I think there's no effective improvement over normal hoses and I've seen where the continual suspension flexing caused them to fail. Braided lines that are bought ready made will be crimped on a big ole machine like OE rubber lines are. Like I said, home made lines are technically an MOT fail. Whether they get noticed or picked up on by any individual tester is a different matter |
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Last Edit: Jul 3, 2024 18:27:21 GMT by Rich
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ChasR
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Home made braided brake lines are technically an MOT fail is the only thing to be wary of (manual specifies compression fittings are not allowed for brake lines ) That's interesting, aren't all braided lines compression fittings? Does this mean Goodridge & HEI lines won't pass a MOT? I'm not a fan of braided brake lines, I think there's no effective improvement over normal hoses and I've seen where the continual suspension flexing caused them to fail. Goodridge and HEL lines are swaged fittings. They have been for some time. Interestingly, Aeroquip hoses sold with Spax conversion kits were compression fittings. I know my mate who makes hoses isn't the keenest on compression fittings (he does PAS hoses for almost all of the British Classic Car folks). I've been the opposite. I've not 'yet' had a braided hose fail. I've had aftermarket stock hoses fail however. Mk3 Mondeos on the rear were a common one. As long as you didn't do mega miles, the wear can be noticed at an MOT (it's always one end which frayed first). The pedal has almost always seemed firmer on the braided items. OEMs don't tend to use them as they can be trickier to fit (time is king on a production line), if they rub on anything, they will mark it, as well as cost. That said, McLarens had them fitted on the 720S with their fancy suspension setup, and Jaguar fitted them on the X350s as standard. |
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Last Edit: Jul 3, 2024 21:36:32 GMT by Rich
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ChasR
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For the OP, here is the black hose on my car.
It doesn't look the same as an OE hose, but it's far from being offensive as well.
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Another vote for HEL here, they'll do black braided hose (and fittings too, dependent on the type), and make custom hoses to order with quick turnaround (and in my case as I bungled the length - remake the hose with no charge).
No affiliation, just personal experience.
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ChasR
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Aug 18, 2024 14:28:38 GMT
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One more thing with HEL.
They are KBA and TuV approved, so if you do go abroad in the car, they will check out, in comparison to homebrew efforts.
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Aug 22, 2024 11:47:50 GMT
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No they aren't - nothing in the MOT manual says home made lines, rigid or flexible are an automatic fail.
It does state RIGID brake lines can't be made with compression style fittings with separate ferrules, but nothing at all with regard to flexible hoses.
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mk2cossie
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Aug 22, 2024 22:24:08 GMT
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No they aren't - nothing in the MOT manual says home made lines, rigid or flexible are an automatic fail. It does state RIGID brake lines can't be made with compression style fittings with separate ferrules, but nothing at all with regard to flexible hoses. You've just disproved yourself there. Brake hoses have rigid ends after all Either way, as I stated above...it is technically a fail. Whether anyone that is a tester knows or spots a home made flexible hose is a different matter |
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Last Edit: Aug 22, 2024 22:25:15 GMT by mk2cossie
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(Google Ford 8 Disciplines), a DFMEA and a PFMEA, Control plans, 6 Sigma Lean stuff etc. Even pipes aren't serialised, so if an issue occurs, it's a thumb in the air as to when he thought the problem came about. After all, he's just a 2 man band and has been for decades.
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