jimi
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Jan 17, 2024 20:06:00 GMT
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MOT time, put my 1988 MR2 in last week and it failed on corrosion on the front inner sill/jacking points, both sides. Put in into a local (recommended) welder this Monday, got it back Tuesday and put it in for a retest (day 10) today, passed no problem 👍 While it was up on the ramps I had a look at the repairs, rot had been cut out and new metal welded in, seam sealed and undersealed, even the tester said it was a decent job Cost £180 😎 very happy with that, will definitely use him again if needed. 👍 Here's a nice summer picture of it
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2024 11:05:53 GMT by jimi
Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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Jan 17, 2024 20:47:33 GMT
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Same here. Put my not retro cube in for mot last week and it passed again. Its been a really good car this has. Still gets looked at like it's fallen out of the sky. Here's a pic of it at retro Goodwood
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While it was up on the ramps I had a look at the repairs, rot had been cut out and new metal welded in, seam sealed and undersealed, even the tester said it was a decent job Cost £180 😎 very happy with that, will definitely use him again if needed. 👍 I'm surprised it passed if the welds were seam-sealed and undersealed, or was that done after the re-test? When my daily used to fail on stuff like this (granted, 15+ years ago, so maybe it's changed) the tester always wanted to see the weld before it was covered over. Maybe that was just the local tester, but it wasn't just one of them, several made a point of telling me not to cover it until they'd seen it. ETA - that aside, well done on getting it through, it's always good to get another year.
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jimi
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Jan 18, 2024 10:31:58 GMT
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I'm surprised it passed if the welds were seam-sealed and undersealed, or was that done after the re-test? When my daily used to fail on stuff like this (granted, 15+ years ago, so maybe it's changed) the tester always wanted to see the weld before it was covered over. Maybe that was just the local tester, but it wasn't just one of them, several made a point of telling me not to cover it until they'd seen it. Might have been a local thing, AFAIK there's no requirement for that in the MOT regs. I've certainly never read anything about it, I've had welding repairs done on other cars and they have always been seam sealed and undersealed before the test and have never had a problem. The tester even remarked on it being a good repair job 👍
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2024 11:09:33 GMT by jimi
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jimi
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Jan 18, 2024 11:04:35 GMT
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Got curious and did a little research on some statistics to go with this post. May 2024 will be the 20th anniversary of my ownership of this 1988 MR2 (I bought it on 13/5/2004) so this will be the 19th MOT I've put it through. Out of the 19, 16 were done at the same test station by the same tester (now retired) and the rest by the current tester (still the same station) Just checked the MOT history and this will be it's 4th failure 2006 failed on rear ball joints & handbrake - new ball joints & adjusted handbrake. 2009 failed on emissions & handbrake - replaced a porous vacuum pipe & adjusted handbrake. 2019 failed on headlight alignment - adjusted nearside headlight. 2024 failed on inner sill/jacking point corrosion (within proscribed area) - repaired. There's also been a few advisories over the years, but I normally try and deal with them before the next MOT. Not a bad record for a 36 year old
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2024 11:05:19 GMT by jimi
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Jan 18, 2024 14:12:53 GMT
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I've had welding repairs done on other cars and they have always been seam sealed and undersealed before the test and have never had a problem. As you say, maybe it's local, and it was a long time ago. On the above, though, I was specifically talking about repairs to areas that had failed the MOT and been repaired for re-test, not things that had been repaired prior to the test. The tester couldn't know that a neatly-done patch wasn't an original part of the body if they don't see it before it was done. I was really referring to this bit: "You can only pass spot welded repairs if the original panel was spot welded and the original panel or section has been removed. Stitch or plug welding can be used instead of spot welding. In all other circumstances, patch repairs must be continuously seam welded." So if you've removed the inner sill and jacking points and replaced them with completely new ones, you can use the same spot welds to hold the new panels in, but if you've put a patch in to replace part of a panel (as I think you said you / your welder did), it has to be seam welded (as you did). I expect the argument my MOT stations were using was that if they can't see the weld, how can they distinguish between continuous seam welds covered with seam sealer and underseal, and a few tacks and some silicon, covered in seam sealer and underseal? While I'm not going back to the seventies, perhaps they were thinking back to when people would try to bodge old sheds to get another year, and obviously the rest of your MR2 will help to show that isn't what's going on. But, good that it passed, it's always a good thing. Was it you that posted somewhere before it was taken in, and I made a similar comment? I have half an idea that happened somewhere, but can't remember who or where it was.
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jimi
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Jan 18, 2024 20:37:35 GMT
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droopsnoot No, wasn't me. I can see how that could be interpreted that way, but as I said it's not something I've encountered in 50+ years of getting cars MOT'd. Bearing in mind I started out with real mini's which occasionally needed welding for MOT fails, followed by MG's (Midget/MGB) Fiats (X1-9/Cinq) all of which have been known to suffer from BRR (British Racing Rust) There's also this bit Perhaps one of the RR members who are MOT testers will comment on this ?
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Jan 18, 2024 20:53:28 GMT
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maybe we should have a post of recommended guys like your mobile welder always good to know people you can trust to do a good job
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jimi
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Jan 27, 2024 16:41:12 GMT
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I thought I had posted a thread about my car in Readers Rides when I joined RR back in 2016, turns out I didn't (or at least I can't find it so I have started one now LINKY I've started back in 2004 when I bought the car so it will take me a while to bring it up to date
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2024 16:41:46 GMT by jimi
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