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Thinking of getting my steel wheels banded for my '85 B11 Sunny, but not sure how wide to go. Whenever I see other people banding them seem to go big like 9j 10j, Sunny is only small car with small engine, don't want to affect the steering and acceleration in too much of a negative way. Been fiddling around with the wheel calculators online to get a better understanding off offset etc. Current wheels are 13x4.5j with offset of 40 i believe - tyres 155/80. I am thinking to go 13x7j et0. and slap on some 175/70s. This should give a chunkier wheel with some dish and poke them out a bit more to fill the arches.  I am new to stretching, but from what i understand mine should be pretty subtle, have been told they should go on no dramas. sound about right? advice appreciated  currently sitting ...  |
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Unfortunately only you can answer your question .
Depends on the final look you’re after .
Tucked , flush or poke ?
You have the car , so can see any potential for rubbing when going wider .
Easiest way is to measure out from your lip to the point you want it to sit .
Looking at the pics , i’d say an easy 1.5 inch front & 3 inch rear band .
But that’s from a picture .
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zeberdee has covered the offset stuff, so here's my thoughts on the tyre stretch: On a 175/70/13, Nankang would recommend it's fitted to a 4.5-6J wheel (using ETRTO standards) www.nankangtyre.co.uk/assets/5681d4133c/Nankang-rim-width-March-2018-Nankang-only-sizes-portrait.pdfNow obviously that's conservative manufacturer/ETRTO specs, so you can go beyond that. You're thinking of two steps (2 x 0.5J) beyond that. I'm used to doing this on 35 profile tyres where two steps beyond Nankang's charts would be considered pretty hot boi, but you are dealing with a 70 profile tyre, so the change to your sidewall angle will be way less as you have a huge sidewall height across which to spread the width. The image from willtheyfit.com should be pretty accurate, and I'd say you'll get away with the tyre just fine. Legality wise, IF the police ever took issue with your tyres, you'd have a hard time arguing they weren't overstretched according to the ETRTO standards. Given your large sidewall though, it's unlikely they would ever notice unless you were being sketchy in other areas. If you're the sort of person who gets pulled by the police every week because you drive like a giant curse word, this is another thing they will book you for. If you don't, they'll likely never notice. |
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Thansk for response guys Unfortunately only you can answer your question . Depends on the final look you’re after . Tucked , flush or poke ? You have the car , so can see any potential for rubbing when going wider . Easiest way is to measure out from your lip to the point you want it to sit . Looking at the pics , i’d say an easy 1.5 inch front & 3 inch rear band . But that’s from a picture . 👍 i think i'll aim for flush, maybe tad poke? I don't want to have to do any arch work. So if I get it to flush, combined with slight stretch i think i should get away with clearance. Its chucking it down today, but i'll get out there with the tape measure and measure from the lip as you suggested, i'll snap a few better photos to show how much gap there is currently. But from what you said you're guesstimating staggered 6j 7.5j? |
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zeberdee has covered the offset stuff, so here's my thoughts on the tyre stretch: On a 175/70/13, Nankang would recommend it's fitted to a 4.5-6J wheel (using ETRTO standards) www.nankangtyre.co.uk/assets/5681d4133c/Nankang-rim-width-March-2018-Nankang-only-sizes-portrait.pdfNow obviously that's conservative manufacturer/ETRTO specs, so you can go beyond that. You're thinking of two steps (2 x 0.5J) beyond that. I'm used to doing this on 35 profile tyres where two steps beyond Nankang's charts would be considered pretty hot boi, but you are dealing with a 70 profile tyre, so the change to your sidewall angle will be way less as you have a huge sidewall height across which to spread the width. The image from willtheyfit.com should be pretty accurate, and I'd say you'll get away with the tyre just fine. Legality wise, IF the police ever took issue with your tyres, you'd have a hard time arguing they weren't overstretched according to the ETRTO standards. Given your large sidewall though, it's unlikely they would ever notice unless you were being sketchy in other areas. If you're the sort of person who gets pulled by the police every week because you drive like a giant curse word, this is another thing they will book you for. If you don't, they'll likely never notice. ok good to know. Yea i wasn't really sure on how "stretched" it would look tbh, only had the online calculator thing to go by and managed to find just one example of the wheel tyre combo on tyrestretch.com:   they look pretty tame from those photos, as you said its a pretty large sidewall, looks fine for what I'm after. Can also get my hands on cheaper tyres of that spec. I'll have to confess to driving/riding like a tit at times, but no danger with that here. Just a lil 1.3 retro cruiser  |
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Thansk for response guys Unfortunately only you can answer your question . Depends on the final look you’re after . Tucked , flush or poke ? You have the car , so can see any potential for rubbing when going wider . Easiest way is to measure out from your lip to the point you want it to sit . Looking at the pics , i’d say an easy 1.5 inch front & 3 inch rear band . But that’s from a picture . 👍 i think i'll aim for flush, maybe tad poke? I don't want to have to do any arch work. So if I get it to flush, combined with slight stretch i think i should get away with clearance. Its chucking it down today, but i'll get out there with the tape measure and measure from the lip as you suggested, i'll snap a few better photos to show how much gap there is currently. But from what you said you're guesstimating staggered 6j 7.5j? Don’t think of it as overall width to begin with , just see how much you want to add on . Whoever bands them for you will only really ask the width of the band you want added into the wheel , they won’t be overly bothered with overall width & offset . 👍 |
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Thansk for response guys i think i'll aim for flush, maybe tad poke? I don't want to have to do any arch work. So if I get it to flush, combined with slight stretch i think i should get away with clearance. Its chucking it down today, but i'll get out there with the tape measure and measure from the lip as you suggested, i'll snap a few better photos to show how much gap there is currently. But from what you said you're guesstimating staggered 6j 7.5j? Don’t think of it as overall width to begin with , just see how much you want to add on . Whoever bands them for you will only really ask the width of the band you want added into the wheel , they won’t be overly bothered with overall width & offset . 👍 oh right, I think I got it into my head that they would ask what offset I wanted so they would know where to band etc. clearly I am new at all this  but i guess they will just be adding to the front, giving it more dish, that way the back end stays the same with no risk of fouling hubs etc. thanks for helpful and fast replies guys. those who do have banded steels on, did you notice any real negatives with the heavier/wider wheels? and how wide did you go out of interest... |
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No probs .
Wheel widths & mods can take a bit to get your head around .
I went 11 inch wide , from a 4.5 .
It was on the back of a van & made no real difference to the drive .
My Beetle ran 7 inch wide , again from a 4.5 & that also made no noticeable difference to the drive .
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😍😍😍 love that. on air? i had one of those, well it was my dads work van once upon a time. T25 '89 model, ended having to sell it when LEZ first came in  . great vans |
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Static .
Heavily modified .
Didn’t keep it long as i was always worried about getting stopped & having to put through an IVA test . 😂
Yes , definitely good vans .
Couple of mates have various models .
Keep looking at buying another , but money just seems to be getting tighter .
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Static . Heavily modified . Didn’t keep it long as i was always worried about getting stopped & having to put through an IVA test . 😂 Yes , definitely good vans . Couple of mates have various models . Keep looking at buying another , but money just seems to be getting tighter . Wow, yea I bet that was a lot of work! Looks sweet tho, any photos from front angle? Yea I hear that, money getting tighter and the prices of older cars seem to be going up up up. |
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Cheers bud never knew bands were available for purchase. Unfortunately I don't have the welding skills to do myself |
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Before you order some custom made banded steelies, You could first try some stock wider steelies. Since Your sunny is 4x100 look for some mk2 golf rims in 5,5x13 et38 with the stock golf size 175/70R13, they should still be easily available. That should give You an idea of how much is still missing. Next You can add some spacers or try to find some bmw rim of the 02 or e21, they came in 5,5x13 et18, that's like sticking a 20mm spacer behind the golf rim. This might save You some money before You go the costly route, just to discover that Your planned 7x13 et0 may cause further work on Your arches etc. Also You can look for 6 or 7 inch wide alloys for trial fit, before touching Your steelies. I like the idea of professionally fabricated outer rims rather than someone fabricating them in his private garage. So thanks for the link, v8ian. Regarding welding, teach, You can't band Your steelies Yourself either, but it is easier to find someone who can weld the inserts to purchased outer rims than finding someone who can band Your existing steelies IMHO. If You look at the welding on a stock steel rim You will see, it is no rocket science. Someone here had posted pics of changing the inserts/offset on a steel wheel. I'm not sure if it was Dez once? |
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I wish they were 4x100, there's endless choice in both alloys and ready made banded steelies it seems. Unfortunately my wheels are 4x114.3, which seem to be difficult to find. Most are imported J wheels which are like a grand+ for a decent set.
I Def agree with you and did want to trial fit other rims to get better feel for what I'm after. But nothing to get my hands on, and don't know anybody near to me whose shoes I can try on.
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Opps, then my source of information was wrong, sorry.
Now Your easiest way for testing Your oportunities would be adaptors from 114x4 to 100x4.
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[/quote] Wow, yea I bet that was a lot of work! Looks sweet tho, any photos from front angle? [/quote]   |
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"Now Your easiest way for testing Your oportunities would be adaptors from 114x4 to 100x4."
yea i gave that a thought. But again, even adapters seem to be more expensive for the 4x114.3 :S the other way round (4x100 to 4x114.3) i've seen for £70 a set of 4, but 4x114.3 is double the price! its the same materials!
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