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Doesn't the Jag LSD fit straight into the Scimitar axle? Yep, depending on which Jag you mean. Mine has a 3.54 PowrLok in it. You can tell the ratio and whether it has an LSD or not by the tags on it (PL for PowrLok = LSD). |
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I like that a lot.
Like you said, lots of potential...
I really like the styling too.
And that 351W will fix what was wrong with it, engine wise.
Will the original gearbox take the torque, or will it get something else?
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Funnily enough we were discussion what the screen was from when I picked it up, thanks for the answer! I agree the se5/5a is a better looking car. It’s also significantly lighter. The 6 is arguably more of a ‘true’ GT though. The 5s are a bit small and light for that classification when compared to others. I do need to do something about wheels because of tyre choice. To find something capable of handling the expected power for reasonable money I really need to go up to 16” or 17”. People tend to want telephone numbers for suitable wheels though which kinda balances the scales Vs. Expensive tyres. I’m not adverse to redrilling to 5 stud or running adapters to get something on there through. I'm wondering if you could use the Rostyles and have them converted to split rims? Then you can make them whatever width and offset you need. Seems to be a thing that people do now. Probably easier if you are going up an inch or two in size also. Bt still, not exactly the most budget conscious option. |
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Last Edit: Nov 6, 2022 19:36:02 GMT by horrido
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Don't they use the same pcd as a mgb? Must be plenty of aftermarket options for these?
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Dez
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I love Scimitars, a proper pro touring one would be cool Have you seen any of the Steve Strope builds where he makes a fake back story for the cars Maybe a guy working on the GT40 built a scimitar with left over bits, Halibrands, V8, 
 I find the fake backstory thing a bit cheesy, but I like cars to be coherent. I hesitate to use the word themed, as that also tends to end up going the wrong way, but using American wheels on a car with an American v8 hangs together nicely. I have looked at mustang wheels but I can’t find anything quite right. I suspect the correct answer would be restomod type ones in the style of a factory rim, but increased diameter and width, which would no doubt be prohibitively expensive. |
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Dez
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Hi Dez, great choice - although I’m biased! I have an SE5a in the same colour that I’m sloooowly turning into a race car, with a dry-sumped Chevy LS in it. I’ve gone 15”s (Revolutions) albeit the fronts had to be custom from Image - you just can’t find anything in the right offset that is 7” wide… This is great. Proably a bit beyond how far I’ll take this, but really cool. Have you got a proper build thread? And if not, why the hell not?! 😁 |
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Dez
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Doesn't the Jag LSD fit straight into the Scimitar axle? Yep, depending on which Jag you mean. Mine has a 3.54 PowrLok in it. You can tell the ratio and whether it has an LSD or not by the tags on it (PL for PowrLok = LSD). Yeah they fit in (I had one with one in years back, got strong money for that axle) but iirc you need to make a couple of spacers to make it work. |
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Dez
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I like that a lot. Like you said, lots of potential... I really like the styling too. And that 351W will fix what was wrong with it, engine wise. Will the original gearbox take the torque, or will it get something else? The original box. Is ‘supposed’ to be strong, tuned Essex guys don’t break them. But to me it looks like a Dagenham 4spd like you get on the back of 200ci sizes, and they don’t have much of a reputation your side of the pond…. Unless it’s unreasonably difficult to adapt to I’m gunna try using it I think. Any manual for a sbf is prohibitively expensive over here- like more that the rebuilt motor kinda cost.. |
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Dez
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Funnily enough we were discussion what the screen was from when I picked it up, thanks for the answer! I agree the se5/5a is a better looking car. It’s also significantly lighter. The 6 is arguably more of a ‘true’ GT though. The 5s are a bit small and light for that classification when compared to others. I do need to do something about wheels because of tyre choice. To find something capable of handling the expected power for reasonable money I really need to go up to 16” or 17”. People tend to want telephone numbers for suitable wheels though which kinda balances the scales Vs. Expensive tyres. I’m not adverse to redrilling to 5 stud or running adapters to get something on there through. I'm wondering if you could use the Rostyles and have them converted to split rims? Then you can make them whatever width and offset you need. Seems to be a thing that people do now. Probably easier if you are going up an inch or two in size also. Bt still, not exactly the most budget conscious option. I could do that, I’ve been meaning to do it for years on something. It’s basically a set of donor rims and a bit of lazercutting. You generally do have to step up diameter or two for them to work. For me it would actually be one of the cheaper options. Especially as I’m actually picking up a set of wheels tomorrow that would make fine donors… |
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Dez
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Don't they use the same pcd as a mgb? Must be plenty of aftermarket options for these? They are, but that ain’t exactly helpful. All the aftermarket mgb stuff is too narrow and too small diameter. They’re then also the same as a whole dearth of Asian stuff, and that bolt pattern is S-body , z-cars and low-end skyline so there’s loads of cool wheels available. Problem is they’re all scene taxed to hell. People want 500 quid for just a bashed up pair of wheels. I’m actually better off going after the wheels they don’t want because they not jdmYo enough. |
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I like that a lot. Like you said, lots of potential... I really like the styling too. And that 351W will fix what was wrong with it, engine wise. Will the original gearbox take the torque, or will it get something else? The original box. Is ‘supposed’ to be strong, tuned Essex guys don’t break them. But to me it looks like a Dagenham 4spd like you get on the back of 200ci sizes, and they don’t have much of a reputation your side of the pond…. Unless it’s unreasonably difficult to adapt to I’m gunna try using it I think. Any manual for a sbf is prohibitively expensive over here- like more that the rebuilt motor kinda cost.. Keep me posted. I may have some extra bellhousings, etc, if you get in a bind. ( no guarantees I'll have what you'll need, but I can go through my stash...  ) |
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The situation isnt that much better here. They have been trying to phaze them out since the '50s. And the ones that are not huge & weigh a ton are really not as strong as you'd expect ( or as strong as I expected, anyway...) T5's shift nice, specially with a short throw shifter. The Super T10 I have shifts like it belongs in a dump truck ( on the track, when I'm in a hurry ), is only a little bit stronger, and I really don't like the external shift linkage. I think I'm going to try a 6 speed out of a Nissan 350Z next ( I was able to get one for a reasonable price ), instead of the T5. ( availability might be better for those in your neck of the woods) The adapter for that is really expensive, though. And I'll have to re-do my transmission tunnel. |
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I priced up the CD09 route for my truck and came to the conclusion that it would always be a compromise and not that much cheaper. The Getrag from a 335 diesel is another option, gear ratios look better and the box can be found for £200 ish rather than the £800-1000 the 350z box seems to command. Still need to use the adapter though and all of a sudden you are back up at the price of a T56…. However. This is Dez we are talking about so he has probably already got it sorted using an old gas bottle and a Wedgwood dinner plate plus Skillllllzzzzzzzz…. Mind you Mr. metalshapes I expect the same from you! P.  |
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Dez
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The original box. Is ‘supposed’ to be strong, tuned Essex guys don’t break them. But to me it looks like a Dagenham 4spd like you get on the back of 200ci sizes, and they don’t have much of a reputation your side of the pond…. Unless it’s unreasonably difficult to adapt to I’m gunna try using it I think. Any manual for a sbf is prohibitively expensive over here- like more that the rebuilt motor kinda cost.. Keep me posted. I may have some extra bellhousings, etc, if you get in a bind. ( no guarantees I'll have what you'll need, but I can go through my stash... ) I am actually on the lookout for a manual bellhousing with clutch fork etc. i wanted an ally one to keep weight down but I’m not sure they exist. Also clutch fork will exit on the wrong side so will have to be hydro-ed. The ones off an FMX are ally though, I could use one of those with a concentric and it might actually solve some problems. |
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I'm pretty sure I have a SBF to T5 bell, aluminum.
I can look for it tomorrow, if you want.
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Dez
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The situation isnt that much better here. They have been trying to phaze them out since the '50s. And the ones that are not huge & weigh a ton are really not as strong as you'd expect ( or as strong as I expected, anyway...) T5's shift nice, specially with a short throw shifter. The Super T10 I have shifts like it belongs in a dump truck ( on the track, when I'm in a hurry ), is only a little bit stronger, and I really don't like the external shift linkage. I think I'm going to try a 6 speed out of a Nissan 350Z next ( I was able to get one for a reasonable price ), instead of the T5. ( availability might be better for those in your neck of the woods) The adapter for that is really expensive, though. And I'll have to re-do my transmission tunnel. T5s aren’t very strong and are mega money over here. All the s10 ones go on the back of flatheads so are in high demand. A world class is £1500+ and can barely do 300hp. T10 are stronger and you can occasionally pick one up for reasonable money as people are less educated on them. The only thing guaranteed not to break is a toploader but they’re silly money, if you can find one. I’d quite like to keep the overdrive, they’ll do 60mph at fast idle with it engaged. I also want to try to avoid tunnel work if I can, which will Proably make the 350z a no go. The bmw box Paul refers to is much smaller so a viable option. |
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Dez
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I priced up the CD09 route for my truck and came to the conclusion that it would always be a compromise and not that much cheaper. The Getrag from a 335 diesel is another option, gear ratios look better and the box can be found for £200 ish rather than the £800-1000 the 350z box seems to command. Still need to use the adapter though and all of a sudden you are back up at the price of a T56…. However. This is Dez we are talking about so he has probably already got it sorted using an old gas bottle and a Wedgwood dinner plate plus Skillllllzzzzzzzz…. Mind you Mr. metalshapes I expect the same from you! P. Those 335d boxes are shooting up in price as everyone finds out about them. I doubly you’d find one for 200 now, they’re more like £500. They are a good box though. Tbh, the cost of all of them is high unless you’re making the adapter yourself. I really need to drag the engine and box out of the car to see if I’m gunna use the stock box (this was the original plan) or what room I have to fit another. The stock box isn’t huge but is external linkage which gives a bit more tunnel space. Fore/aft motor and box positioning is going to critical as well, the motor is already buried well into the firewall as stock hence me going for the 351W over a SBC because of dizzy location. I want to get away without having to totally bin the heater box assembly if I can help it. And I so t be using wedgewood, it doesn’t match the colour scheme 😂 |
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Yeah, the T5 and the SuperT10 have been disappointing for what I do with them.
I gave up on the t10 for track use and replaced it with a straight cut close ratio Jerico dog box.
Which is based on the Ford Toploader, but with their own aluminum case, etc.
I got a good deal on a freshly rebuilt used one, but it still wasn't cheap...
I'll try the t10 in the '32, hopefully it will do better in that.
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The scimitar box is the ford type 5 used in 3.0 Capri's the overdrive version came from a mk4 zodiac, if it's in good condition, driven with sympathy and filled with a decent oil the box should be capable but I would suggest the overdrive may need some upgrading.
Another option may be to make an adaptor to fit a RX8 box they are still reasonably affordable.
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frodo
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I’m using a 330d gearbox on an adaptor plate on the back of my LS - the 5 speeds are pretty cheap, although 1st is a bit of a crawler gear so essentially it’ll be a 4 speed for me. The box is the Getrag GS5-39DZ, they’re still only a couple of hundred quid - the 6 speed seems to be the one going up in price.
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