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The interior looks pretty good, dads was distorted and cracked.
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For a gearbox what about a modern Jaguar S-Type box, the 3.0 and 2.5 manuals had a 5 speed I think and the diesels had a 6 speed. Not sure on ratios but there are still a few abouts as the diesel S-types tend to break their cranks. Same Getrag/ZF boxes as the 330d gearboxes. GS6-53DZ is the one, and is the big brother of the GS6-37DZ. The ratios are a smidge better in the Jag version though (mainly first which is 4.68 vs 5.08 in the BMW). Plenty of people putting 1000nm through them without too much trouble. Not sure if there was a 5-speed version of the diesel box. If there is it'll probably be the same 5-speed as the E39 530d/pre-facelift E46 330d. The petrol versions will probably be the GS6-37BZ. 'BZ' are the petrol gearboxes and 'DZ' the diesel variants. Petrol version tend to have more sensible ratios (although direct drive does tend to be 5th on all of them).
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I guess the real issue is the Scimitar does lots of things well but nothing really grabs the heartstrings. With lotuses it's the handling and racing legends, the AC and interceptor the styling and engine, with Capris it's the styling and the nostalga, On the Scimiter nothing realy stands out and there were not enough around in the day for people to get nostalgic also perhaps the link to the Robin has an effect. As for famous owners, Princess Anne owned a few Scimitars, a double edged sword perhaps? Haha, comment of the year, nobody noticed!
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The interior looks pretty good, dads was distorted and cracked. One of the few benefits of 30 years of barn storage, much less UV damage to the Interior than most.
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So continuing the ‘Avin a poke’. Rear bumper mounts might be a bit past it 😂 Whist it was still on truck I removed this lot. It came off fairly easily tbh, and it’s a full stainless system with headers so will go for sale to buy other parts needed. I also jetwashed out the wheelarches and under the sills whilst it was still up there. Next I rolled it off the truck and covered the whole car in cartec orange flavour engine degreaser, to remove the thick layer of organic slime (that is probably mostly rat p1ss and dust) and hopefully make it smell a bit better in the process. I left it for a while then a good jetwash later and it’s looking a good few shades lighter! So I suppose a bit of a walk around to show the body condition is in order. This is the worst damage. The nose has had a knock and this corner has taken the worst of it. There’s other cracks here- And here. A dig in the pass front arch- And this back corner has had a big flat hit, cracking it a bit. Drivers rear arch- Usual exhaust tip rattling on body damage- And a another tap on the rear valance. But that’s about the long and short of it. Other areas that are usually grotty on scims like the door hinges are actually surprisingly ok. One thing that’s hard to convey is how tiny these cars are. They were meant to be a fairly large GT back in the day, but it’s the same size as our Lupo or panda, except the nose is a few inches longer. The stated kurb weight is 1180kg, again about the same as either of the above modern small hatches.
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Next, I started the under bonnet area. Don’t look too bad at first glance does it? Ooh check out the gen-you-wyne retro battery that’s still got its screw-in terminals! What’s that all over it? Oh… Had a bit more of a look under things. There’s a LOT of what appears to be cherry stones. And this chap 🫤 Then WHATTHEFUCKINGHELLISTHAT! you know it’s grim when I even I get the fisting gloves out. Investigating further, it turns out it was once a rat… Who had made himself quite at home it seems. This was proper next level ick under here though. It seems to have been home to numerous rodents for many years. The joys of storing cars on working farms I guess. I used a scraper as a mini-shovel, and this was just from the areas I could easily access. That’s a 10L bucket and it ended up between half and 3/4 full. Interesting catch can setup 😂 Another free hammer! I managed to remove the radiator upper baffle panel carefully so I could tip all the accumulated cr4p off the top of it straight into the bucket rather than emptying it through the engine bay and on the floor. I then undid a couple more bolts and the hoses and pulled the rad out. Might have seen better days too… I found the fusebox lid though… Much more scraping- And I got to what I was actually aiming for, the crank bolt. I was fully expecting it to be seized solid after 30 years standing with suspected hgf. So imagine my surprise when it turned over smoothly and easily with no lumpiness or noises. I did 4 full turns without so much as a sticking valve! All very unexpected. It’s still coming out though 😂
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Bonus set of free fuses there
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Great project, good to see you still can get a classic car for cheap. Will be a weapon with that V8!
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Yuk, I think I'd be dousing it with bleech!
Have they eaten the wiring etc?
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Yuk, I think I'd be dousing it with bleech! Have they eaten the wiring etc? I need to get some jeyes fluid, that’s the one for de-ratting. Mostly cos it’s the only thing that smells strong enough to lose the rat smell 😂 Yeah, various bits are chewed. Oddly mostly only the aftermarket additions though. Tbh, the wiring loom obviously wasn’t in a good way before the rats moved in , there’s choc blocks and new terminals everywhere where repairs have been effected when in use, and it’s all quite hard and brittle. It deffo needs a full rewire even before I consider the changes that will need to be made as part of motor swap. Not exactly hard or expensive on a car like this though.
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Had a bit more of a look under things. There’s a LOT of what appears to be cherry stones. And this chap 🫤 Impressive fauna in there! I just can't recognize what "this chap" once was, looks like some lower jaw to me? Can anybody recognize more? btw. I'm not too familiar with the scimitar, although I quite like it being more a wagon than a sportscar fan. So I looked up both german and english wikipedia. Many german topics are often translated english versions, but this time they are widely different. For example the german author knew that in preparation for the SE6 they cut a SE5 in four pieces to "stretch" it wider and longer. The german article also says that a company named Graham Walker Ltd. owns the production rights to manufacture "new" scimitars on demand till today, but the crappy company page doesn't tell too much about that, just stating they are the world's largest scimitar specialist.
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Is it worth starting the motor up, so you can sell it more easily?
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Looks like a decent base for wild plans...
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Dez
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Nov 10, 2022 12:07:53 GMT
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Had a bit more of a look under things. There’s a LOT of what appears to be cherry stones. And this chap 🫤 Impressive fauna in there! I just can't recognize what "this chap" once was, looks like some lower jaw to me? Can anybody recognize more? btw. I'm not too familiar with the scimitar, although I quite like it being more a wagon than a sportscar fan. So I looked up both german and english wikipedia. Many german topics are often translated english versions, but this time they are widely different. For example the german author knew that in preparation for the SE6 they cut a SE5 in four pieces to "stretch" it wider and longer. The german article also says that a company named Graham Walker Ltd. owns the production rights to manufacture "new" scimitars on demand till today, but the crappy company page doesn't tell too much about that, just stating they are the world's largest scimitar specialist. It was another rat, that had then been mostly eaten by other rats. That’s the spine at the top and the skull bent round under it. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if that’s how they made it bigger. The chassis is just a bit longer, the rear axle wider, and I believe they made the front A-arms longer to widen the front. The who middlebridge scimitar thing and the story afterwards with Graham walker is the typical story of not letting something die that definitely needs to. Although the chassis is competent, by that period it really needed to be IRS to sell to the market it was aiming for, the engine was massively underpowered and outdated, and the styling very dated too. Couple that with cars that that held little residual value as previously discussed, and it was fated to end up exactly as anyone with any business acumen would predict. I mean TVR barely managed to hold it together through the eighties, so scimitars had no chance.
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Nov 10, 2022 12:08:57 GMT
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Is it worth starting the motor up, so you can sell it more easily? Unless it involves spending much, that’s what I’ll do. Compression test and get it running on the deck to maximise build funds with its sale. Although this was a ‘free’ car I’m already over a grand in with stuff I’ve bought so some returns would be good.
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Nov 10, 2022 12:11:37 GMT
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Looks like a decent base for wild plans... I’ve seen a lot worse go again, that’s for sure. I know it needs chassis welding so it’ll be a body off job, but if you’re not trying to cut corners and avoid that, it’s actually the easiest way to do a lot of things on these.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:45:35 GMT
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I love this,
The story is cracking and it couldn't of gone to a better home.
Carrying on its previous life in a way I'm sure the previous owner would 100% agree with.
Good on you Dez. I will be watching eagerly.
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Dez
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Nov 11, 2022 11:30:26 GMT
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Next I did another jet washing session after more of the orangey stuff. It’s come up a lot better allowing me to work on it without getting covered in quite literal cr4p, but every time I remove some bits I end up uncovering even more hidden away, so there’s a few more goes yet. The big ol nest under here is mostly cleared out now though. As mentioned, when you start looking closely the wiring is well past it too. It’s got this- But the rats seemed to take offence to having something else with sharp teeth in their space and did this to its wiring. The fusebox does not look good. And various wires and insulation have been nibbled. So at the very least the engine bay section of the loom needs to go in the bin. I think a modern fusebox relocated inside and all new wiring is on the cards. Next I decided to remove the headers as they needed to go with the exhaust to be sold. Obviously these are pretty hard to get to with the engine setback. You know when you’re 3 bolts in and you’ve already made a special tool it’s not going to be a fun job. But mucho swearing and contortionism later, success! And a surprisingly big gap down the side of the engine. The other side had some ‘interesting’ solutions to broken head castings- Basically a tab brazed to a bolt to hook over behind the broken bit and try to prevent it blowing. Still, it made it easier to remove! A bit less room down this side, the steering is there but also the engine bay side isnt cut back as much. I still think there will be ample engine room though.
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Last Edit: Nov 11, 2022 11:32:21 GMT by Dez
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Nov 11, 2022 12:12:47 GMT
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You are brave man Dez, but there's loads of potential in that.
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