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Nov 28, 2007 13:01:12 GMT
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If I were to rip a 4.0 Cologne V6 out of a Windstar, Explorer or whatever - what (other than common sense) stops me dropping this into a Sierra or Cortina using the european Cologne mounts etc. I assume the sump is interchangeable as it is with the cologne 1 & 2
What about the bell housing pattern? Regular V6 stuff so I could use a T5, MT75 or whatever?
Any carb options for these? Could I use a 2.8 carb manifold on one for example, and bodge, I mean skillfully adapt, a Holley 500 or something onto it
Thanks for your indulgance.
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bryn
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Nov 28, 2007 13:09:00 GMT
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A fine question... To which I have no answers. Intriguing though, hope somebody can answer this one.
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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Nov 28, 2007 13:09:48 GMT
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yes they bolt up to the same gearboxes, unsure about the sumps but I think they should, none of the UK stuff will bolt onto the top of them though as they are taller so the V is wider and none of our inlet manifolds will fit, there are people doing lots of work and fitting the 24v heads to them though, so anything is possible.
quite a few eastern european diy 4x4's are using the explorer box and the 2.9 24v instead of the 4 litre so i assume that means its an easier way to get some oomph into them?
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stealthstylz
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Nov 28, 2007 13:28:04 GMT
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They'll definetley go on an MT75 as thats whats going in the 100E. The sump rail is wider so I had to modify the 4x4 sump to fit errrrm thats about it. Keep the injection and bung turbos on they go like curse word then.
Matt
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qwerty
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Nov 28, 2007 13:32:01 GMT
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Hmm they don't quite fit in a sierra do they? I seem to remember a pic floating around of a sierra that had one fitted nd it had to have the bonnet "masterfully re0sculptured"
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dorchy
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Nov 28, 2007 13:46:21 GMT
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Hmm tempting idea for the Granny!
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Nov 28, 2007 15:08:32 GMT
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Nov 28, 2007 19:44:44 GMT
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OHC will be taller and wider and need more bulkhead clearance as theres a chain drive for one cam bank back there (the other is on the front as per normal sane engine design) I would be looking at the older OHV I assume. For cost reasons and because I don't much like OHC engines. Wheres that Capri lovin' yankee when you need him? I can't see the bottom two as I'm not a member. Maybe I should join
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2007 19:45:53 GMT by akku
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Nov 28, 2007 19:52:12 GMT
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Wheres that Capri lovin' yankee when you need him? Aye, Blitz should know.... I seem to remember the engine mounts need "adjusting" with a grinder and welder cos although they bolt on the increased bank angle makes them sit wonky. We put a 2.9 from a granada into a blown up explorer so it could go through the sales.. PITA to fit iirc.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Nov 28, 2007 19:56:13 GMT
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mention someones mum and he'll soon appear. ;D ;D there was a guy from around darlington somewhere that races/ raced a mk2 tina with a supercharged, twin turbo, nitrous injuected 4 litre yank 6, running 4 wheel drive too. i don't have pics, but hopefully stigma or phoenixC might.
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Nov 28, 2007 20:22:03 GMT
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Wheres that Capri lovin' yankee when you need him? that bloke doesn't have a v8 dodge pickup does he?
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Nov 28, 2007 21:07:08 GMT
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yeah heads on the OHC are taller/wider, not sure which injection system is tallest though or even how many variations there are.
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stealthstylz
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Nov 28, 2007 22:27:19 GMT
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The car u mention tony is a guy called Ian Walley. Its not a yankee v6 iirc its a bored and stroked 2.9.
Matt
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The 4.0L is a proper Cologne, not a yank motor. Although to be fair, the genesis of the entire Cologne series was a yank-designed industrial V4, which was given over to FOG for production and sales. There's a helluva lot of generators, farm pumps, and kleig light units powered by Ford industrial Cologne V's.
Anyhoo, the OHC 4.0L is currently the base model motor for the Mustang, also was used in Exploders and such. Puts out about 210HP and 210TQ. Plastic intake manifold. Rather tall. Has different motor bracket bosses than the early Colognes. Injected and ECM'd, natch. Would need major work on the ally pan to fit a rear sump car, adapting a steel pan sounds the better approach.
It's a heavy lump, tall (as for trucks or the high Mustang), but very very grunty (Bryn's rental car testimony was given on the other thread).
Not a lot of tuner love yet. The OHV version enjoyed a Vortex supercharger kit. Imagine eventually somebody will do a huffer or puffer kit for this one as well.
What happened to "2CV Wednesday Madness"? Sigh..........
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cool beans, wouldn't be a bolt in deal to do a 4.0 -> 2.3 then.
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Nov 29, 2007 10:32:52 GMT
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personally i think the 24v is a better bet at the moment as it'll be a bolt in swop for a 2.3, and without the cats and with a chip and induction kit it'll chuck out a bit more power than the 4 litre with lots of potential. but then i would say that.
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stealthstylz
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Nov 29, 2007 10:42:19 GMT
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The 4 litre will put out plenty more more with all the emissions curse word off it. They're torquey as hell too.
Matt
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Nov 29, 2007 11:08:15 GMT
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the 24v will take 1 bar boost on totally stock internals if you have a decent ecu and use 105 octane fuel, thats 400bhp for the cost of a turbo set up, seen em turbo'd for under a grand using second hand bits. The 24v is pretty torquey itself, at the time it was in production no non turbo sub 3 litre engine ever built could beat its 203ft/lb and the racing version in the formula 3000 cars was putting out 100bhp per litre without forced induction, so its pedigree is ok too. Not slating the 4 litre as I don't know enough about it, but it looks to me like its harder to fit and there is even less tuning gear than the 24v has. Geoff Kershaw (founder of turbo technics) has a a twin turbo 24v in his sprint car AND his road car, both making over 500bhp so given the vast choice of engines he could have chosen that must say something about the potential of em. Sorry I'm forced to big up the cheapo 24v against all comers.
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Nov 29, 2007 12:09:22 GMT
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what RPM is peak torque @ in a 24V though? Their reputation suggests the move very nicely above 4K but lack that low end grunt. You have to remember my previous daily driver (running ) was a 7 litre Oldsmobile which from memory clocks 485 lb torque @ 3200 RPM. Torque. I like torque.
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Nov 29, 2007 14:40:34 GMT
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peak torque is about 4200rpm from memory but its a pretty flat curve all the way from 1500rpm, they cant compare with over twice the cc of american iron but they are pretty good for there size, some mild valve work and better cams and they ge up to 260lb/ft without forced induction. They do come "on cam" about 3200 but under that they are performing the same as the old 12v 2.9 (150bhp and 165 torques) so its not like they have nothing at the bottom end at all. I know there are better enginesout there, but the 24v is CHEAP.
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