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Maybe the real answer to pollution and air quality, and global warming (and for that matter global poverty famine, and war, and pandas dying, deforestation, and overfishing) is we just ban children and quietly wind down the human race to extinction? Now that would solve the problem! www.vhemt.org/Personally, and it won't be a popular opinion, but if they wanted to do something about air quality and improve what it is like to live in city centers they should largely pedestrianise them. Particularly somewhere like London that has a working (for the most part) underground train network. Shop and other deliveries become more problematic, but maybe that is something that is only done at certain times of the day. Would improve air quality, livability and general atmosphere of the city, rather than introduce another tax that makes it pay to play for those that can afford it. Of course that would also then need to replace that income stream, and seeing as central government has been intent on starving local councils of funds for the past ten years I could see that being a problem for wider local services (which I suspect is what Khan is up to with this, trying to replace lost revenue, and fill the ongoing holes in TfL's finances left from the last incumbent (although the method to do it via Ulez expansion is rubbish)) Anyway there is my political non-political post. If you are that bothered about it and live in London, take to the streets. (I would suggest not organising a traffic blockade though as that is literally their point proven).
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May 26, 2022 10:23:03 GMT
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just to clarify what are we opposing?
threat to modern classics? i.e cars which are out of date with regards to EURO emmision regs, but 20 odd years away from reaching exemption via historic status ?
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Last Edit: May 26, 2022 10:24:22 GMT by darrenh
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skinnylew
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May 26, 2022 11:14:25 GMT
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just to clarify what are we opposing? threat to modern classics? i.e cars which are out of date with regards to EURO emmision regs, but 20 odd years away from reaching exemption via historic status ? its kind of that but more a combination of lots of previous comments. - the implementation of a policy that is sold as a green policy but only if your poor so isn't a green policy at all - the blanket application covering both diesels and petrol cars/vans when the issue they are wanting to solve is predominantly diesel particulates - the application of it onto the outer London suburbs, with no better connections into the city than those outside (no tube/tram/dlr), and boroughs that are both urban and rural (i appreciate that is pretty Bexley/Bromley specific). - the absurdity of a big engined uneconomical car being complaint but a small engined supermini from the 90's not despite using far less fuel emissions regs is a hard one, unless your car is post 03 then the tax isn't emissions based i think so data not present. that leaves 20 years of cars, some are compliant from late 90's majority not (my 01 Octavia vrs is compliant, my 99 Toledo V5 is not but later 170 bhp engines are, none of my 106's/Ax's are complaint neither is my 98 406 2.0, nor my 92 Fiesta and my diesel 08 Fiesta definitely isn't). I appreciate the responses so far and understand the propensity for this to turn political, but would really appreciate if people could refrain from getting it locked again.
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