skinnylew
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May 25, 2022 15:35:36 GMT
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May 25, 2022 15:45:54 GMT
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I'm torn on this. On one hand I'll lose use of my retro, on the other the air here is constantly thick with the stench of diesel fumes. If it's a hot day it stinks of diesel fumes. If it's a cold day it stinks of diesel fumes. If it's raining it stinks of diesel fumes. If it's exactly 16.2°C and the sun is in the right place, there might be no diesel fumes if we get lucky. What's the answer?
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Last Edit: May 25, 2022 15:47:10 GMT by Jonny69
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May 25, 2022 16:32:23 GMT
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My feeling is that there could be some form of compromise, maybe you can use a non-ULEZ vehicle on a limited number of days/week (easily recorded by the existing cameras), or maybe people who actually live in the area can use them (maybe on certain days) but you can't use one registered elsewhere (obviously open to possible abuse). The problem isn't really with the vehicles it's how often they are used, how much traffic they sit in, why they are used (ie why not public transport/walking etc.) etc. Lots of things in life are OK in moderation but will harm if used to excess, it doesn't necessarily mean the answer is to ban them entirely. I know people who live in the zone now who save all their 'essential' journeys up and pay the £12.50 for one day every now and then. Not as convenient, obviously, but it's cheaper and easier than selling the old banger and buying a newer one in the short term. Ironically one of them drives a £30 road tax diesel and finding a decent replacement that qualifies for ULEZ, has low road tax and is relatively cheap to buy is not that easy so a few £12.50s here and then is the best option when it's not a daily driver. |
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May 25, 2022 17:31:04 GMT
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It doesn’t matter what we sign or petition against sadiq khan will do what the hell he likes……sorry but this will get political unfortunately
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Last Edit: May 25, 2022 17:31:19 GMT by Mercdan68
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May 25, 2022 17:33:18 GMT
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Tbh it’s not even on my radar as I live in the east mids, but it will no doubt work it’s way into other larger cities (probably already has) However , if by miracle, everyone stopped using their cars overnight, they would absolutely sh1t themselves. Because contrary to what the ‘establishment’ tell us, it’s ALL about the money, they don’t give a toss about anything else, it’s a good stick to hit us with to get even more tax off the motorist than the trillions they already do.
I’m not cynical you understand
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Last Edit: May 26, 2022 6:20:57 GMT by rattlecan
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May 25, 2022 17:43:12 GMT
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It doesn’t matter what we sign or petition against sadiq khan will do what the hell he likes……sorry but this will get political unfortunately And the muppet won’t admit his failings regarding the woolwich ferry……no staff to run it months of closures to new boats and incorrect docking bays The man isn’t fit for the job |
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Last Edit: May 25, 2022 17:43:43 GMT by Mercdan68
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May 25, 2022 18:54:58 GMT
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One opinion is that this is more about raising cash to prop up TFL than a real attempt at cleaning things up.
Ultimately I think the only real answer is road pricing based on mileage, the emissions level of the car and time of day.
Ridiculously here in Chelmsford the worst polluters are the buses which are up to 20 years old, one idea from the muppets in essex County Council had was to close roads to cars so the heavily pollutung busses don't have to hang around for to long!
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May 25, 2022 19:10:12 GMT
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One opinion is that this is more about raising cash to prop up TFL than a real attempt at cleaning things up. Ultimately I think the only real answer is road pricing based on mileage, the emissions level of the car and time of day. Ridiculously here in Chelmsford the worst polluters are the buses which are up to 20 years old, one idea from the muppets in essex County Council had was to close roads to cars so the heavily pollutung busses don't have to hang around for to long! Give and inch, they will take a mile. |
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skinnylew
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 5,546
Club RR Member Number: 11
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May 25, 2022 19:17:21 GMT
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Thing is the suburbs its proposed to cover included acres and acres of farmland, forests and parkland. And it's ok to keep polluting if you can afford to...... it's not a green policy and is just a money generating scheme.
If he wants to cut NOx emissions then surely applying it to diesels makes more sense than petrol. A clogged up city diesel is the worst culprit.
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skinnylew
Club Retro Rides Member
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May 25, 2022 19:23:44 GMT
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I'm torn on this. On one hand I'll lose use of my retro, on the other the air here is constantly thick with the stench of diesel fumes. If it's a hot day it stinks of diesel fumes. If it's a cold day it stinks of diesel fumes. If it's raining it stinks of diesel fumes. If it's exactly 16.2°C and the sun is in the right place, there might be no diesel fumes if we get lucky. What's the answer? I can't remember if you are still out Beckenham/Penge/Crystal Palace direction? Obviously the further in towards London you go the more congested it becomes. But its diesel fumes and particulates that are the issue more than petrol. That would still mean i have to change from a 55mpg Diesel Fiesta doing 420 miles to a tank and costing £30 yr to tax to something less economical and more expensive but i can stomach that. But i'm also on the edge of the capital, i have a Kent postcode and cover some rural areas within the borough. |
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May 25, 2022 19:39:23 GMT
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Tbh it’s not even on my radar as I live in the east mids, but it will no doubt work it’s way into other larger cities (probably already has) However , if by miracle, everyone stopped using their cars overnight, they would absolutely sh1t themselves. Because contrary to what the ‘establishment’ tell us, it’s ALL about the money, they don’t give a toss about anything else, it’s good a good stick to hit us with to get even more tax off the motorist than the trillions they already do. I’m not cynical you understand You are aware that Birmingham already has a ULEZ zone and both Nottingham and Derby have it planned? They only have put it on hold because of the Covid mess came in. Other UK cities have it or have it planned but they are not in the East Midlands so I didn't list them. "its only London" No it is not. |
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May 25, 2022 19:42:16 GMT
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sorry but this will get political unfortunately For what ever reason, folks can't comply with a request to keep their politics at home and either just click on the link (or not). So what happens is a load of curse word and a mod deletes the thead... |
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 25, 2022 20:05:17 GMT
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Tbh it’s not even on my radar as I live in the east mids, but it will no doubt work it’s way into other larger cities (probably already has) However , if by miracle, everyone stopped using their cars overnight, they would absolutely sh1t themselves. Because contrary to what the ‘establishment’ tell us, it’s ALL about the money, they don’t give a toss about anything else, it’s good a good stick to hit us with to get even more tax off the motorist than the trillions they already do. I’m not cynical you understand You are aware that Birmingham already has a ULEZ zone and both Nottingham and Derby have it planned? They only have put it on hold because of the Covid mess came in. Other UK cities have it or have it planned but they are not in the East Midlands so I didn't list them. "its only London" No it is not. Yeh I know Nottm has talked about it, they already have the parking space tax. I’d never drive into a city personally it’s just hell, but we know it’s coming. Just like another thousand other ideas they’ll have to screw dosh out of us, as I sort of eluded to |
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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May 25, 2022 20:12:50 GMT
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Most people who live in towns let alone cities shouldn’t own diesels. Small capacity petrol cars are FAR better vehicles in such a situation, especially with low traffic speed and long periods idling. , but we have a car buying public who have had car manufacturers and the government coercing them to buy turbo diesels for years. Getting them to change their buying habits is the issue.
Also, have you tried buying a petrol van? There’s like 3 for sale in the entire country. Manufacturers spent literally 30 years not making them. As a country that relies on small tradesmen for just about everything these days, they literally have no other option.
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May 25, 2022 20:16:00 GMT
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How does paying a tax to drive into London stop my car polluting?
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May 25, 2022 20:58:54 GMT
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Sorry but it's the future. The Glorious leader wants it.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Seth
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May 25, 2022 21:17:48 GMT
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I'm torn on this. On one hand I'll lose use of my retro, on the other the air here is constantly thick with the stench of diesel fumes. Depends how retro your retro is. 'Historic' stuff is exempt from the current ULEZ and I don't see anything to suggest that will change? |
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bilkob
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May 25, 2022 21:21:19 GMT
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Here’s my 2, or more penneth worth. Firstly, it would be wonderful to not make this a political issue, but it’s politicians making these suggestions so, well, there goes that one.
Also, if I recall, it was politicians who, ably abetted by lobbying oil companies and other vested interested parties convinced ‘us’ that not only were modern diesels magnificently economical but they were also BETTER for the ‘environment’ than petrol cars and vans. So, there’s the first big political lie.
So, if they were really serious about ‘air quality’ then just ban ALL diesels now. But no, let’s just rake in cash from poor beleaguered tradesmen who have very little choice than to run diesels vans, and also the owners of utterly monstrous V10 , VEE TEN!!!!!!!!! diesel 4x4s to get the shopping , but hey, we won Le Mans with diesels so that’s all good.
What’s really good for cleaning up city centre travel I wonder……? What’s that you say? Bicycles?? Then how about REALLY backing cyclists, and coming down HARD on aggressive motorists, keeping cycle lanes clean and useable, educating bus drivers not to pull out on cyclists, yes, there are lots of idiot cyclists, but they’re not polluting anything, ever.
I’m torn. I live in the suberbs. I run a cycling business. For which I use a C15 van. I also cycle as much as I can. I also own a CX GTI turbo and a 351ci Mustang
My gut feel is a BLANKET ban on diesels, if it’s REALLY about air quality, then that’s the answer, and adequately compensate every diesel owner who is thus in convinced. But, hey, politics, so they’re never gonna do that…………..
Tin hat firmly affixed.
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75swb
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Most people who live in towns let alone cities shouldn’t own diesels. Small capacity petrol cars are FAR better vehicles in such a situation, especially with low traffic speed and long periods idling. , but we have a car buying public who have had car manufacturers and the government coercing them to buy turbo diesels for years. Getting them to change their buying habits is the issue. Also, have you tried buying a petrol van? There’s like 3 for sale in the entire country. Manufacturers spent literally 30 years not making them. As a country that relies on small tradesmen for just about everything these days, they literally have no other option. Here in NZ i find the opposite. Heaps of petrol JDM import vans, and the diesels are far rarer. Maybe the answer is everyone cruises in mitsi l300's, hiaces, bongo's etc? Maybe the real answer to pollution and air quality, and global warming (and for that matter global poverty famine, and war, and pandas dying, deforestation, and overfishing) is we just ban children and quietly wind down the human race to extinction? Now that would solve the problem! |
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Last Edit: May 26, 2022 8:17:15 GMT by 75swb
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slater
Club Retro Rides Member
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Theres no need to do anything other than phase out fossil fuels and reduce population density. Those two adjustments to the way we live solves pretty much all problems around road transport, congestion and pollution.
The air quality thing is just a smoke screen for this weird obsession with destroying all kinds of road transport. It's not just the CAZ charges that are being implemented. In Birmingham they are closing and norrowing streets, changing the timing of traffic lights and taking away parking as quickly as they can in an attempt to 'force people out of thier cars'. They don't even do it on the sly, it's basically official policy!! I cant quite put my finger on how people have become so brainwashed into letting it happen let alone understand the motivation of those that want it to happen. Just seems to be one of those leftie liberal things that makes zero sense for anyone other than big companies and powerful people who want to take away your ability to live independently and make every citizen reliant on the state and big buisness to exist. don't understand why people don't stand up to it!
In practical terms if you don't have a tax exempt motor in the garage being readied for action then you're missing a trick. Real retros are the key to beating at least some of the curse word being thrown at us right now under current rules. Get a pre 82 car. Chuck in a veg burner or even do an electric conversion and you will be in best shape to ride out at least the financial side of the onslaught. Unfortunately theres not alot I can think of doing about the road destruction side other than escalating opposition towards illegal activities.
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Last Edit: May 26, 2022 9:26:02 GMT by slater
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