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Thanks for all the replies guys. On the Suzuki front, any experience between the 1.0 and 1.2 to mention? My gut feel is 1.2 but Sally seems interested in the 1.0 as she mostly commute’s But it is an option of through town, or motorway. 20 miles each direction. Opinions please, or experience. The Mrs is looking to change her Swift within 12 months, she'll be looking at 2019 1.2 rather than the 1.0 turbo. I'm sure the turbo version is great, more performance etc but the 1.2 knocks out 90 bhp with excellent mpg as I mentioned earlier and it's perfectly suited to the car. Importantly the 1.2's seem bulletproof , there won't be a turbo issue ever to contend either. As usual horses for courses.
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Still learning...still spending...still breaking things!
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Thanks for the comments again today.
I took a 1.0 Boosterjet for a quick one mile or so test run.
It is actually really eager.
The car tested was a 67 plate, 14k miles and is dirty, needs a valet really.
But impressed with the way it accelerates and goes, stopping is good too.
Doors, tailgate all feel tinny and cheap, relative to my 20 plate Focus, and it in turm would sound and feel rubbish compared to a 7 Series BMW.
So we have an appointment tomorrow at 11.15 to test a 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta.
Sally can decide for herself.
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More information…… My wife has a 1.0 Ecoboost in a 66 plate Focus and its only the 99HP one and even then it drives really well. The thing with them is if you drive them carefully they are quite economical but if you boot it and the turbo is always working hard then they can be a bit thirsty. Depending on the age you are looking at the timing belt which is due at 10 years is apparently a pig of a job and you need a special torque multiplier to tighten and untighten the bottom pulley bolt. Some of them also have issues with the cooling systems etc, I think they are quite highly stressed engines but very reliable until one thing goes wrong and then it can be catastrophic.
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My wife has a 1.0 Ecoboost in a 66 plate Focus and its only the 99HP one and even then it drives really well. The thing with them is if you drive them carefully they are quite economical but if you boot it and the turbo is always working hard then they can be a bit thirsty. Depending on the age you are looking at the timing belt which is due at 10 years is apparently a pig of a job and you need a special torque multiplier to tighten and untighten the bottom pulley bolt.Some of them also have issues with the cooling systems etc, I think they are quite highly stressed engines but very reliable until one thing goes wrong and then it can be catastrophic. So when you buy a 5-6 year old used car, which is what her budget is, you await some serious pain and expensive maintenance within 4-5 years. “Catastrophic expectations”is not the way to buy a car for her. Ecoboosts fiestas are great to drive we must have had a dozen as company cars now, early ones had issues with leaking coolant particularly in Focus(I blew one of these up). We run loads at work and ones built in the last 5 years have been pretty much trouble free, just make sure it has a full service history with the right ford oil and correct addative pack used. (That goes for pretty much any modern boosted engine) Finding an honest “Service History “ even at dealers, seems to be a bit hit and miss. As they do not care. Regarding engines and cars blowing up, it is fine for corporate cars, if my company car blows up, I have a replacement in less than 24 hrs. If Sally had that, she is royally screwed. Working on “The Clock” for a very low wage means she cannot stop working because her engine blew up as the pay stops. And companies building cars to run on secret formulas of oils etc means they hold you ransom to their exhortingly expensive products as you cannot replace it with anything but what they sell you at a price that maintains their profiteering, long after you bought the car. PS. You know that is not taking a pop at you. commonly known as the EcoBoom engine. wet timing belts, who's bright idea was that?! bits of belt come off and eventually the belt either loses its teeth or the oil pump gets blocked with bits of belt... and thats if it hasn't melted a piston. Yup. See point above about locking the market in. commonly known as the EcoBoom engine. wet timing belts, who's bright idea was that?! bits of belt come off and eventually the belt either loses its teeth or the oil pump gets blocked with bits of belt... and thats if it hasn't melted a piston. That's what happens when prople use generic oil rather than the proper Ford stuff. And then the question is, why? Why use alchemy to own a customers soul, aaaaahhhh. Profit guaranteed to infinity. My workmate's wife has a 18 month old Fiesta 1.0 Ecobang , 3 months of that time were taken by the dealer arguing for a new engine from Ford. They eventually agreed to a partial rebuild. It is inherently an overstressed lump and quality control appears to be varied. I think duggers has a point here. So are the 1.25’s a better used car option? Looking at a 5-10 year ownership of whatever she buys.
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NEXT QUESTION WE BUY ANY CAR………… WHAT OTHER COMPANIES ARE OUT THERE THAT WILL BUY A CAR, COLLECT IT AND LEAVE YOU WITH CASH IN HAND? Thanks. Based on nothing other than Ford quality, I would go for the swift as it will keep working & parts will last longer than the warranty. I'm not a Ford fan at all, they cheap out on EVERYTHING regardless of how expensive/cheap the car is. The Mustangs battery failed at 3 years/12k miles! My golf one started to fail at 12 years/160k and was actually much bigger! The AA guy that came to jump start me wasnt impressed at the battery size Ford had used (50ah for a 5.0! BMW use a 100ah for the same size engine) Try some local dealers, I sold my Mustang to a local car specialist's & they gave me what WBAC offered with no bartering. They are strugling to get stock so can always offer the same/more that WBAC as they will end up buying it at auction from WBAC anyway. Modern cars (as in let's say the past 7 years) don't charge the battery as well due to Smart Charging systems. That could be another reason . Basically, they don't charge the battery as much, as the OEMs try every trick in the book to nip a few COs from here, a few from there etc. I've seen an OEM debate on grading conrods (i.e arriving in different weights), so as to save 4 grams on the CO! I've had some cars have a battery last me 3 years, but almost twenty in others ; My M3 was the later
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Your issue will be that a 100k small car is really only of interest to small or part time traders. The upside is there is strong demand for small second hand cars.
Most local independent dealers will buy cars, but they will try at bottom book as well. Look in your local paper, if you still have one, and see if any dealers are offering to buy.
Don't forget word of mouth, friends may know someone needing a small car.
Suzuki 1.2 is a very reliable engine if maintained to schedules. Ford 1.25 is very well tried and tested, no special tools required for maintenance, every mechanic will work on them.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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What’s her actual budget? Is the £9K tops based on borrowed money, or savings?
It would be worth her considering a PCP on something brand new, and keeping her savings for something else. If she’s saved £9K to buy a replacement she must have been putting a reasonable amount aside each month (or if she’s borrowing it then it’ll be costing her a monthly repayment). Whatever she buys now, she’ll have to either make the payments on, or continue saving a monthly amount for the next one.
If she looked at something like a new Kia Picanto, which the base model is £11,500, she’d get a minimum of £1,750 back “scrappage” on her old car.
Zero deposit (beyond the trade in on her old car), means a monthly PCP of £210 over three years and a balloon of £3,300 at the end. A loan to cover that would, at the same monthly rate, be paid off in less than 18 months, leaving her with a fully paid off car that still had two and a half years warranty left to run. If she can scrape up a deposit beyond the value of just the old car, that would bring the monthly down.
Other suitable cars are out there, the Dacia Sandero is a good budget car (Renault based), or a base model from any of the other manufacturers.
The beauty of going new like that is a fixed monthly outgoing with no surprises. A service plan that includes MoT when the time comes can be factored in too. For someone like Sally that simply wants something reliable and isn’t bothered about cars much, then it’s always what I advise people to do.
When the balloon is up, either pay it off and keep the car, or chop it in for another one.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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What’s her actual budget? Is the £9K tops based on borrowed money, or savings? It would be worth her considering a PCP on something brand new, and keeping her savings for something else. If she’s saved £9K to buy a replacement she must have been putting a reasonable amount aside each month (or if she’s borrowing it then it’ll be costing her a monthly repayment). Whatever she buys now, she’ll have to either make the payments on, or continue saving a monthly amount for the next one. If she looked at something like a new Kia Picanto, which the base model is £11,500, she’d get a minimum of £1,750 back “scrappage” on her old car. Zero deposit (beyond the trade in on her old car), means a monthly PCP of £210 over three years and a balloon of £3,300 at the end. A loan to cover that would, at the same monthly rate, be paid off in less than 18 months, leaving her with a fully paid off car that still had two and a half years warranty left to run. If she can scrape up a deposit beyond the value of just the old car, that would bring the monthly down. Other suitable cars are out there, the Dacia Sandero is a good budget car (Renault based), or a base model from any of the other manufacturers. The beauty of going new like that is a fixed monthly outgoing with no surprises. A service plan that includes MoT when the time comes can be factored in too. For someone like Sally that simply wants something reliable and isn’t bothered about cars much, then it’s always what I advise people to do. When the balloon is up, either pay it off and keep the car, or chop it in for another one. What I was about to suggest.
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Todos con Lorca
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The thing to remember with the fiesta is it's been one of Britains best selling cars for many years so there will always be someone with a horror story and mechanics will see a lot of them even if only a tiny percentage fail. The 1.25 is a far simpler and much lower stressed engine so it is the one I would go for in a older car, the same applies to almost any car go for the non boosted low power engine and it will be more resiliant to poor servicing, and more difficult to abuse.
I know a couple of people who have a yaris they seem to be pretty reliable, the one everyone seems to say avoid (including a couple of AA men) is the Corsa.
All in all used cars are at a all time high price at the moment because of the shortage of new cars, and it's likely to be at least another year until new car supply recovers (especially for smaller cars), if possible the best thing Sally could really do is keep running her old car.
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Problem solved. After a lot of searching, soul searching, tears and truths, Sally has a car. Not the 18 or 19 plate she dreamed of, but hopefully a sensible, logical choice. 2015 model. 1,25 non-Ecoboost 1 owner Full Ford Service history. Fresh service New MOT Clear history. Just under 40k miles Background check clear. Collection later this week after a Service and MOT.
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Good to see. Maybe it serve her well .
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Looks great, Jackie prefers those, the newer ones are too big apparantly.
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Looks like a good little motor there grizz The only real issue with the Sigma engine we've found at work, is that they like to use a drop of oil Thankfully they only use a 5w30 fully synthetic, and are pretty easy to work on too! Oh, and spark plugs get done up too tight! Or the plug well gets damp in it from the under bonnet and scuttle panel But thats easily sorted with a simple spark plug cover fashioned out of a piece of plastic attached to the existing holes in the cam cover
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Your issue will be that a 100k small car is really only of interest to small or part time traders. The upside is there is strong demand for small second hand cars. Most local independent dealers will buy cars, but they will try at bottom book as well. Look in your local paper, if you still have one, and see if any dealers are offering to buy. Don't forget word of mouth, friends may know someone needing a small car. Suzuki 1.2 is a very reliable engine if maintained to schedules. Ford 1.25 is very well tried and tested, no special tools required for maintenance, every mechanic will work on them. She is very very good at maintenance and fixing stuff sooner than later. She has had the same private garage non-dealership guy maintain all her cars over the last 38 years including the engine transplant on the Corsa 21 months or 20k miles ago. Now needs to sell that on privately. He said the same to her as you about both these cars duggers. The thing to remember with the fiesta is it's been one of Britains best selling cars for many years so there will always be someone with a horror story and mechanics will see a lot of them even if only a tiny percentage fail. The 1.25 is a far simpler and much lower stressed engine so it is the one I would go for in a older car, the same applies to almost any car go for the non boosted low power engine and it will be more resiliant to poor servicing, and more difficult to abuse. I know a couple of people who have a yaris they seem to be pretty reliable, the one everyone seems to say avoid (including a couple of AA men) is the Corsa. All in all used cars are at a all time high price at the moment because of the shortage of new cars, and it's likely to be at least another year until new car supply recovers (especially for smaller cars), if possible the best thing Sally could really do is keep running her old car. Morning Kevin, I think that is why she kinda reverted to only wanting a Fiesta, and once all the judgements against the Ecoboost (for private ownership and 5+ year age) came in, she was like a pit bull on a throat of an enemy. I could not dislodge her. Added to that, NO White, NO Black, NO Burgundy metallic, NO Auto, NO Ecoboost, and a few more PITA criteria, it became stressful as hell, and I had to be quite hard with her and reset her targets. The car she got I think will be great, and serve her well over time…… Look at me next entry and photos…….. I am concerned, but we paid the deposit and the car promises to be good for her. Good to see. Maybe it serve her well . Thank you mate. I hope so, she cannot afford a lemon. The MOT history is clear, indicating decent maintenance to date. Looks great, Jackie prefers those, the newer ones are too big apparantly. I actually do prefer the non current shape as well.
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That search didn't take long and it looks like a very clean well looked after motor. well done and here's to many happy miles / smiles
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That search didn't take long and it looks like a very clean well looked after motor. well done and here's to many happy miles / smiles I guess you will probably be doing the spark plug cover thing as mentioned any other plans for it ? other than just enjoying it
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That search didn't take long and it looks like a very clean well looked after motor. well done and here's to many happy miles / smiles Trust me, three weeks of online searches and then on going out, realising 3/4 of the cars online were “Reserved” meaning they were sold, or they were in Belfast, adding a huge delivery fee meant less pleasure and actually (not for me) Sally insisting on looking locally. Not very clever imho, but her call. I will be chuffed if she gets 10 years out of it. That to me is very feasible.
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That search didn't take long and it looks like a very clean well looked after motor. well done and here's to many happy miles / smiles Trust me, three weeks of online searches and then on going out, realising 3/4 of the cars online were “Reserved” meaning they were sold, or they were in Belfast, adding a huge delivery fee meant less pleasure and actually (not for me) Sally insisting on looking locally. Not very clever imho, but her call. I will be chuffed if she gets 10 years out of it. That to me is very feasible. just out of curiosity how many did you actually get to look at ?
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Looks like a good little motor there grizz The only real issue with the Sigma engine we've found at work, is that they like to use a drop of oil Thankfully they only use a 5w30 fully synthetic, and are pretty easy to work on too! Oh, and spark plugs get done up too tight! Or the plug well gets damp in it from the under bonnet and scuttle panel But thats easily sorted with a simple spark plug cover fashioned out of a piece of plastic attached to the existing holes in the cam cover Thanks mate. I am very comfortable with a car using oil. It just means keep an eye on it and top up when needed. Simple really. I will tell her to mention the plugs to the mechanic she uses. I need to see what you mean with a cover as that one is new to me. More concerning, because I have a critical eye, was the rats nest I found in the corner of the drivers side fender, just under the bonnet hinge……. No idea where it found the foam to create its bed, and what looks like some black plastic bag chewed up. I would like to believe it was stood in a garage where Mr Rat decided it was a good bit of real estate. Other than that, the interior is immaculate, and the carpark scuff on the passenger side rear corner will be fixed this week, hopefully. Here’s to a happy owner. Or else I may have to drown her.
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Last Edit: Jan 9, 2022 10:04:09 GMT by grizz
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Trust me, three weeks of online searches and then on going out, realising 3/4 of the cars online were “Reserved” meaning they were sold, or they were in Belfast, adding a huge delivery fee meant less pleasure and actually (not for me) Sally insisting on looking locally. Not very clever imho, but her call. I will be chuffed if she gets 10 years out of it. That to me is very feasible. just out of curiosity how many did you actually get to look at ? One
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