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Sept 9, 2021 11:21:43 GMT
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From the Daily Mail ( yes I know...) eBay and insurance companies including LV are encouraging repairers to use 'green parts' salvaged from uneconomical To repair vehicles Oh, how amazed am I? As a family we've only been doing that since basically the car became a thing!🙄
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Sept 9, 2021 11:52:32 GMT
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Just spoken to MK2 son about this His response? ' How does that make scrappage schemes environmentally friendly then??'
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Sammo
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Sept 9, 2021 11:58:38 GMT
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I read somewhere recently though that eBay are pulling peoples auctions for second hand car parts because they can’t provide a certificate to show they’re an official vehicle dismantler.
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Sept 9, 2021 11:59:56 GMT
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Maybe this will make autojumbles a thing again?
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Sept 9, 2021 12:15:05 GMT
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Maybe this will make autojumbles a thing again? [brThey've started again round my way (Norfolk) 😀
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melle
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Sept 9, 2021 12:15:33 GMT
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As a family we've only been doing that since basically the car became a thing!🙄 Yes, because for you time is cheaper than parts and for repairers it's usually the other way around. Fitting a new part is often less work than using a used one that you may need to clean or test first, or find is faulty after fitting it, and it diminishes the chance of warranty claims from customers. In my opinion it's high time to abolish income tax (i.e., labour tax) and compensate for it by increasing VAT by a substantial amount or by introducing another form of consumption tax, and by taxing profits made from capital (i.e., property, shares, etc.). This will make (used) materials more valuable, encourages re-use and recycling and ends disproportionate taxation of working people, especially those in low paid jobs.
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Sept 9, 2021 12:24:35 GMT
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It's not just a time thing melle, there's no reason why it shouldn't filter into industry just as well as in does for the private individual, Its ingrained that as a throwaway society you just replace things with new, lots of industry could easily work with secondhand parts, but wont Having worked in a body shop, albeit many years ago, we had the parts ordered in to repair a vehicle frequently before the vehicle actually arrived on the premises, it just takes a bit more organisation Edit - what annoys me more is the fact that by rebranding them as 'green parts' they're trying to make it sound like they've invented this whole new idea, when many of us have been doing it for years!
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Sept 9, 2021 12:26:46 GMT
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Absolutely nothing would surprise me with insurance companies, they're all complete shysters. The only reason they get away with what they do over here is the fact insurance is compulsory. It should follow the Aussie model, third party included in the reggo
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Sept 9, 2021 13:07:42 GMT
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Hi, A number of years ago when I was in the trade there was an insurance company (can't remember the name) that offered cheaper insurance because they authorised the use of secondhand parts, where possible, on accident repairs. The only problem is we used to get grief off the punter because they were expecting all new parts and it was left down to us to explain that it was insurance company policy, so take it up with them. They weren't at all happy about it and after a few years they quietly drifted off the market.
I can see it happening again.
Colin
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melle
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Sept 9, 2021 13:21:40 GMT
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It's not just a time thing [...] it just takes a bit more organisation Yes, and organisation (e.g., hunting down parts, cleaning them, testing them, storing them, etc.) costs time, i.e., money. Much cheaper and easier to order new off the shelf, or tell the customer you can't get the parts and they should buy a new car. In many cases used parts aren't that much cheaper than aftermarket replacements anyway, so why would they bother? what annoys me more is the fact that by rebranding them as 'green parts' they're trying to make it sound like they've invented this whole new idea, when many of us have been doing it for years! Yes, like with tyres. First there were tyres that you could use all year round, than they introduced summer and winter tyres, and now they're promoting "all season" tyres...
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Sept 9, 2021 15:42:14 GMT
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Time is money, agreed, but when spending that time results in an outcome which costs less money, IE secondhand parts against new, and when it's being pushed as an environmental issue too, Well 🤔 And there's no difference between ordering a new part against ordering a secondhand one, once the organisation is in place
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Sept 9, 2021 15:49:24 GMT
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Oh and I wouldn't know about tyres, I just fit whatever I can afford, and then adjust my driving to suit the conditions How about that for a radical idea! 😄
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paul99
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Sept 9, 2021 16:08:07 GMT
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I read somewhere recently though that eBay are pulling peoples auctions for second hand car parts because they can’t provide a certificate to show they’re an official vehicle dismantler. Seems odd, nothing wrong with selling on parts you no longer need. Or is it the '99p gets you a wheel nut' brigade avoiding fees? Ebay? Of course, more trade for them. Availability? Breakersyard and similar will make the parts available in a day or two, IF available. Common sense at last, although understandable the insurers don't need warranty grief.
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Sept 9, 2021 16:27:42 GMT
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I no longer sell on eBay so I'm not sure what the current setup is, it did used to ask for a licence number but you could just ignore it Of course, selling ringing kits is perfectly fine.......🙄
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melle
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Sept 9, 2021 16:50:56 GMT
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I sell car parts through eBay all the time, never had an issue. (Click here if you want to buy some tat you didn't know you needed - don't buy through eBay though, better prices if you PM me. )
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Sept 9, 2021 21:57:12 GMT
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It's not a new thing. It's been going on for years but more prominently in fleet conracts where the whole objective is to keep costs low and you have a bunch of identical vehicles on the road. If one becomes uneconomical to repair then all of a sudden you have a load of major vehicle components; panels, lights, trim and mouldings etc hanging around. Obvious solution is to use them to fix the rest of the fleet! The advent of brexit and then covid put a huge strain on the parts supply chain and parts were taking literally months to arrive. This caused unacceptable delays for policy holders and inefficiency and disruption for bodyshop production. Hence green parts found their way into mainstream private insurance collision repairs. I feel I must point out to the masses that green parts are NOT the default option for insurers. They are used as last resort when it is not possible to source new part or to make a temporary repair and there is no non-OE option available. They are also never used for safety critical systems ie SRS and suspension. I might post more on this when I have time as I'm sure some find the concept alarming. Kind regards, RR's resident motor insurance claims engineer
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Sept 10, 2021 5:52:56 GMT
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I know exactly what you're saying killerkerry89, what grinds my gears is that now the environment is suddenly the "hot topic' these companies have rebranded it and are touting it as a revolutionary new idea! Having worked in fleet and car rental for many years, we did exactly the same, even to the point of borrowing parts from one vehicle which was suffering parts VOR issues to get another identical vehicle roadworthy, and then repairing the' donor' at a later date Theres nothing new under the sun, and all that...
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Sept 10, 2021 18:02:54 GMT
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It's not just a time thing [...] it just takes a bit more organisation Yes, and organisation (e.g., hunting down parts, cleaning them, testing them, storing them, etc.) costs time, i.e., money. Much cheaper and easier to order new off the shelf, or tell the customer you can't get the parts and they should buy a new car. In many cases used parts aren't that much cheaper than aftermarket replacements anyway, so why would they bother? what annoys me more is the fact that by rebranding them as 'green parts' they're trying to make it sound like they've invented this whole new idea, when many of us have been doing it for years! Yes, like with tyres. First there were tyres that you could use all year round, than they introduced summer and winter tyres, and now they're promoting "all season" tyres... It's not just about time though, efficient use of material resources is also important. Our lives and cars are resource intensive but, we can mitigate this by the use of salvaged non safety related items, such as body and trim parts, and mainatining our vehicles properly to maximise their lives.
Decent Winter tyres are a revelation when the temperature falls consistently below about 10 degrees and in the wet. All season tyres, like most universal things, do a passable job under most circumstances, but not an outstanding job ever; they are a cheapskate solution.
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melle
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Sept 10, 2021 18:19:16 GMT
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Decent Winter tyres are a revelation when the temperature falls consistently below about 10 degrees and in the wet. All season tyres, like most universal things, do a passable job under most circumstances, but not an outstanding job ever; they are a cheapskate solution. Please let's not start a debate about the merits of winter tyres here, that was not my point...
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Sept 11, 2021 8:07:48 GMT
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Decent Winter tyres are a revelation when the temperature falls consistently below about 10 degrees and in the wet. All season tyres, like most universal things, do a passable job under most circumstances, but not an outstanding job ever; they are a cheapskate solution. Please let's not start a debate about the merits of winter tyres here, that was not my point... Profuse apologies for being insufficiently psychic to guess your point in mentioning a subject. I am still at a loss.
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