60six
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Jun 11, 2021 20:32:44 GMT
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I have just realised I have no idea what it is! Will knock on the door next week and ask if it's for sale, If it is, at £500 maximum offer, will take a better look around it - see if I can get it started then set about getting it going again. If I can't get it going, I won't be buying! Not interested in the plate as it's 10k+ I thought it was an old S class but I think i'm wrong - anyone know the W number/Model?
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mht
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Jun 11, 2021 20:44:38 GMT
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You’re right, it’s an S-Class. An early W126 with what looks like Mexican Hat wheels. I can’t quite make it out but the lower part of the door panels should be a different colour but it looks like from that picture that they may have been colour coded. I’m not a full Mercedes beard but don’t think they were colour coded from the factory until the facelift in 1985.
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Mark
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Jun 11, 2021 20:45:19 GMT
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W126 S class I believe? Wiring looms can disintegrate on these if I’m correct
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2021 20:45:37 GMT by Mercdan68
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gte86
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Jun 11, 2021 22:13:10 GMT
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gte86
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Jun 11, 2021 22:16:55 GMT
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So it's been with that owner since it was 13 months old.
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Jun 11, 2021 22:37:11 GMT
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Beware potential timing chain issues also - to quote from Wikipedia: "3.8 The 116.960 engine was introduced in 1979 featuring 8.3:1 compression with 158 PS (116 kW; 156 hp) at 4,750 rpm and 266 N⋅m (196 lb⋅ft) at 2,750 rpm. This engine reached North America later for the 1981 380SL. There were 116.961, 116.962, and 116.963 versions of this engine. Early models came with a single row timing chain until 1983 and were plagued with chain failure problems which Mercedes-Benz would repair free of charge, changing the timing chain to a dual row thus resolved the problem making these engine as durable and reliable as any other Mercedes V8. All 1984+ models came with a double row timing chain from the factory to prevent this failure, however this engine was replaced for the 1986 model year by its larger 4.2 litre variant."
Note also, the torque figure is quite different to the one stated in gte86's post above, as you'd expect from a biggish V8!
There's a blue 420SEL near me that's been parked up in a driveway for yonks also...
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gte86
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Jun 11, 2021 23:31:18 GMT
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Beware potential timing chain issues also - to quote from Wikipedia: "3.8 The 116.960 engine was introduced in 1979 featuring 8.3:1 compression with 158 PS (116 kW; 156 hp) at 4,750 rpm and 266 N⋅m (196 lb⋅ft) at 2,750 rpm. This engine reached North America later for the 1981 380SL. There were 116.961, 116.962, and 116.963 versions of this engine. Early models came with a single row timing chain until 1983 and were plagued with chain failure problems which Mercedes-Benz would repair free of charge, changing the timing chain to a dual row thus resolved the problem making these engine as durable and reliable as any other Mercedes V8. All 1984+ models came with a double row timing chain from the factory to prevent this failure, however this engine was replaced for the 1986 model year by its larger 4.2 litre variant." Note also, the torque figure is quite different to the one stated in gte86's post above, as you'd expect from a biggish V8! There's a blue 420SEL near me that's been parked up in a driveway for yonks also... I did think it seemed very low for such a large engine.
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2021 23:31:48 GMT by gte86
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tofufi
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That's an early (prefacelift) w126 S class, as has been said. I bought one (ok, two) a few weeks ago after hankering after one for years. Properly luxurious to drive, like steering a small yacht. I imagine the SE isn't quite as barge like, I've only experienced SELs. The big things on them are rot related. Rear screen lower corners rust, but panels are (or were) available when we did one for a friend a few years ago. The roof around the sunroofs seem to be prone to rot too. If you can get it going, replace the timing chain and guides unless they've been done in the last 10-15 years. Let us know how you get on
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2021 5:24:17 GMT by tofufi
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braaap
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Properly luxurious to drive, like steering a small yacht. I imagine the SE isn't quite as barge like, I've only experienced SELs. The big things on them are rot related. Rear screen lower corners rust, but panels are (or were) available (...) They were, but no longer are. Maybe Mercedes-Benz one day decides they will produce some again? I work in a company selling MB parts. My boss once said "the coupes are all going to be restorated, the limos not." Famous words, since then, limo owners regularly ask for that part. We made an order for twenty parts from MB back then, but were informed after waiting for months that the part will not be available again. But sometimes MB change their mind. btw. mercdan68 mentioned the self-integrating wire harnesses: we reproduce those, too, in better quality, it´s the main business. In case You´re interested, look for Kurth Classics Autoparts (language can be changed to english on the website). And the SE is the standard wheel base s-class, the SEL has a longer wheel base.
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2021 6:25:34 GMT by braaap
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Jun 12, 2021 10:01:25 GMT
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Brilliant info - when I did my dvla lookup it just said MERCEDES
Looks quite ahead of its time for 1984 - I consider these years when mercs were at their best ...
You can't see the car unless you are on a bike, so I hope it hasn't been inquired about before.
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tofufi
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Jun 12, 2021 11:57:02 GMT
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If anyone can get the vin from the reg, it's then possible to find out a lot more about it, including upholstery and options fitted at the factory This is my 560SEL. It's got brown velour upholstery, dual zone climate, cruise control, tinted glass, and electric front seat (including headrests) and electric rear seat adjustment...
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2021 12:00:02 GMT by tofufi
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Jun 12, 2021 15:29:02 GMT
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Have a check as I'm not sure if the plate can come off unless it's got an mot. It certainly can't after its been bought by a new owner (I have a private plate stuck on the mk2 that needs to go back to p/o when it's mot'd)
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Jun 12, 2021 15:48:25 GMT
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I have just realised I have no idea what it is! Will knock on the door next week and ask if it's for sale, If it is, at £500 maximum offer, will take a better look around it - see if I can get it started then set about getting it going again. If I can't get it going, I won't be buying! Not interested in the plate as it's 10k+ I thought it was an old S class but I think i'm wrong - anyone know the W number/Model? I've wanted one of these since I was a boy in the early 80s. They were always the villains car in TV and films and when I saw one at a motor show it just oozed quality. The spec was like a spaceship too, compared to the cars I was used to.
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Jun 13, 2021 11:39:48 GMT
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If that’s outside the garage….. I wonder what is in the garage…..?
Nick
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Jun 13, 2021 18:39:49 GMT
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I had a 420 SE ( 1986) and I never bonded with it. Yes, it was massively capable, imposing, fast and good to look at but it was, how can I describe it, 'numb' to drive. I never felt connected with it, you couldn't feel the road & it wasn't enthusiastic about anything unless you floored it in a straight line. It was absolutely the kind of car to be driven about in as opposed to drive. Fabulous cars though. Watch out for rot under the battery tray next to the passenger side bulkhead. They rot there big time and can be awkward to repair. I do think about buying another and going across France or something, that would be good, the car would be perfect for that.
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60six
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Jun 14, 2021 21:35:40 GMT
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I had a 420 SE ( 1986) and I never bonded with it. Yes, it was massively capable, imposing, fast and good to look at but it was, how can I describe it, 'numb' to drive. I never felt connected with it, you couldn't feel the road & it wasn't enthusiastic about anything unless you floored it in a straight line. It was absolutely the kind of car to be driven about in as opposed to drive. Fabulous cars though. Watch out for rot under the battery tray next to the passenger side bulkhead. They rot there big time and can be awkward to repair. I do think about buying another and going across France or something, that would be good, the car would be perfect for that. Someone else said this and it is the one thing I can't stand. When I am really disconnected from the car I find myself not being able to judge gaps at all, and generally not caring about it. Got my 900 thru the MOT today and if there was ever a car you are connected to, this is it. You feel every bump and the car compensating for it, you hear the whine of the turbo and the gearbox, the damn thing is alive!
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I think that's a Mercedes thing. Every single one I've driven - with the notable exception of the G-Wagen - has had the deadest steering ever. And it's horrible, because you never know how much input you need. The one that I drove with variable assistance was the worst, because you had very little idea what it was doing.
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Jun 15, 2021 10:40:00 GMT
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They're mostly designed for effortless Autobahn wafting, at which they excel. Even in my slow black 1987 190E 2 litre, people swiftly pulled over on seeing the pointed star loom up in their rear view mirror, so you could make good progress on motorways, despite a lack of power!
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ChasR
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Jun 21, 2021 23:07:30 GMT
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W126 S class I believe? Wiring looms can disintegrate on these if I’m correct It's the 90s Mercs that have this issue, with the HFM injection setup. That's W124s - 280E/320E/2.0 and 2.2 16v models. Diesels tend to be safe W140s as above A mate of mine was very unlucky to get a car with a bad harness.
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60six
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Jun 22, 2021 19:54:58 GMT
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Nobody answered ... Looking at where/how the garage is positioned I think I will try next door at the weekend....
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